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Old 07-24-2005, 02:29 AM
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Pushing the envelope!!

Soon enough you wont be able to tell the difference between an artist airbrushed fire and real pictures. I did this one with AutoAir the other day.

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Looks real nice.. good job.
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It looks like you've got it down, are you using a transparent color over the flames for depth? Bob
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Old 07-24-2005, 09:35 AM
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Thanks guys, I use some transparent colors but mostly it’s Auto Air’s detail series which are solids for the most part i.e. you have to be more précis in their placement. Most of the other stuff isn’t recommended for my micron’s .23 tip and I really didn’t feel like using the high-line CH.


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Old 07-25-2005, 06:47 AM
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Nice stuff Rick !! Too bad you were'nt closer to the East Coast, I'd have you do my Chevelle!
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Again THANK YOU! I’d love to travel. But my flames take a long time to render. I spent 2hr just on that little 6” by 11”sprayout panel so I could imagine a car would be a week or so to render a CLEAN job, do to my flame style I have to be extra careful. It’s not like Mike’s truefire where you can just throw it down and bury anything you don’t like.
He renders his in a 3d fashion by painting multiple layers were as mine are rendered in one layer with a 3d outlook because less paint means your less likely to exceed the mil spec’s of today’s automotive BCCC paint systems making for a longer lasting finish with minimal dieback five years or so out.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Mikes style He's the KING of truefire and I’m sure he himself has the skill to minimize the amount of layers needed.

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This would make an EXCELLENT tutorial. Something that EVEN I would be able to replicate.....like in the fashion of:

All your individual colors on the actual artwork panel, then a separate panel with JUST that color on it. Let me rephrase, you would have a finished product, and then (If you used 5 different colors) 5 separate panels showing JUST THAT color on each panel.
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You could actually do something like that the problem would be the stenciled affect i.e. Everyone would have copies of the same flame, you’d get it painted and then see it on another rig a week later. As it stands each flames makeup is totally different and adding value by knowing you’re the only one who will EVER have it. mass produced cars aren’t worth much when they get old but one of a kind cars now they can be priceless.

You could actually do something like that the problem would be the stenciled affect.
i.e. Everyone would have copies of the same flame, you’d get it painted and then see it on another rig a week later. As it stands each flames makeup is totally different and adding value by knowing you’re the only one who will EVER have it. mass produced cars aren’t worth much when they get old but one of a kind cars now they can be priceless & the same goes for ART.

Now I did do a “HOW TO” article that will be coming out in the AUG 2005 issue of Airbrush Technique. If your interested in trying to do um get a copy of the magazine, their on sale now for $5.99 at www.airbrushtechniquemagazine.com and will be shipped out the first week of Aug.


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Thats very impressive!
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Know what you mean. Stencils have a value but it's what you do with them afterward that counts. I've tried my hand at "Fire" and I don't have the "Artistic Ability" or "Vision" to pull it off to MY liking. It also depends on what type of "fire" your trying to reproduce.
I took some pic's of a large brush pile I set off and you get the roaring orange fire to the subtle "heat" fire.
Still, It's nice to see how different artists produce their versions and the method's,which is what Jeff is getting at I believe,to obtain their results.
Not to copy a layout, but laying it out.
Most people are capable of doing it,they just don't know what tool's to use for it.Once you understand the basic procedures,you can create to your liking.

These aren't much for the dramatic but give's a VERY broad color spectrum of true fire. From the brite white/orange flames to the purple/apple base.
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That is very nice work man... I love flames
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Rick ,
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't too clear. (The colors I use are just for illustrating my concept, not actual colors used.)

Step 1: identify prepwork

Step 2: Rough in flame background on "Art" in RED, and do another identical one in RED to the side. Set the other one all by itself and don't touch it again

Step 3: Do the next color (Orange) on "Art", and do one to the side WITH ONLY that color in the gun, set it aside. Now you have "Art", and 2 different plates (Red and Orange) Try to duplicate the strokes used on ART on the speparate sample

Step 4: Do YELLOW on the ART, then a separate plate with just YELLOW.

etc.....

This would show step by step how the colors lay up on ART, and on the separate samples, it would better illustrate how much color would be used in each pass of the gun.

By no means, could you use a template. I agree 100%. My proposal would just show a rookie where to lay in color, and how much to lay on. It would cut the learing curve dramatically.

I love "real" fire. I like traditional flames as well, but there is only 2-3 variations I like. Hard to explain them. The Goodmark Camaro style is OK. And alot of it is in the blending, as much as the taping. I've seen beautiful tape jobs get ruined by "spraybomb wariors". If they knew how to transition and blend, it would have been mint. But who am I to talk? My best paint job is on the 10th floor, on the outside of a building.....at least it looks good from the ground!
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Ya I think I did misunderstand what you meant, I got'cha now.
That would be a good idea in theory but would be hard in practice because each flame is unique in itself and replicating um is nearly imposable without one hell of an eye.
And if you could replicate it with any kind of success you most likely would be so busy with so much other work or just sipping margaritas on the beach somewhere, lol.

I kind of did something like that in the “HOW TO” article, I show pictures of each color as it went on so you can tell where I put um, The article is four full pages with step by step pictures and explanations of how I lay my flames.

Now I realize this is kind of counter productive as far as me making money on my unique fire style but as I see it “tight lip’s slow the advancement of new and innovative ideas” And life’s not about MONEY. Someone is “going” to see it and improve upon it and in no time Real Fire Custom Paint will push to new heights as it did with the video release of Mike’s TrueFire technique, and if you blend the two techniques my NialFire in the foreground & Mike’s TrueFire in the background you get Real Looking Fire you could look at from one foot away and still only see FIRE!, not a mess of stenciled looking colors or just the detailed foreground flames!, lol.

Where pushing the envelope!, as the title of the thread emply’s.

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nice job I like the shapes. Here is one of my practice panels
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I could be PART genius here....

What about spraying the single color only on plexiglass? Lay that over the "Art" and spray the color, then remove it, and spray it again for ART. You could put the plexi over a black or white background to show contrast....

I guess I'll have to settle for being a genius , because I stink at artwork....
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