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Yes I agree... we have some very smart young people out there.. But in the HP world I'd rather see proof at the track or dyno rather than someone reading a book or the net and coming up with unproven combo's.

I have great respect for these young guys at the track with the ricer's. The Turbo car's are making amazing power and running good number's. Again they're at the track proving it..

let me ask this, without some wise ***** reply..
do you think smokie came up with he's game changing ideas, by following the older folks set in stone thinking..
or was it' his, we'll lets try this, and maybe that , and well. that didn't work the first time, but lets see if the outcome is different, now that we've got this other thing to work..
to many dismiss those younger, as not having the "proof" to back up any thing, but look at me, I got 35 years in the biz...
age has nothing to do with anything.. other than more time in.. doesn't always = better..
sometimes the old guards are to stuck in their ways to try anything different and just dismiss it..
not all, just like not all young people are stupid

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wasnt Mr Yunick more known for cheating? or as he put it,carefully reading the rules?
sorry,had to smart a an answer or comment
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:12 PM
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let me ask this, without some wise ***** reply..
do you think smokie came up with he's game changing ideas, by following the older folks set in stone thinking..
or was it' his, we'll lets try this, and maybe that , and well. that didn't work the first time, but lets see if the outcome is different, now that we've got this other thing to work..
to many dismiss those younger, as not having the "proof" to back up any thing, but look at me, I got 35 years in the biz...
age has nothing to do with anything.. other than more time in.. doesn't always = better..
sometimes the old guards are to stuck in their ways to try anything different and just dismiss it..
not all, just like not all young people are stupid
I welcome all idea's from any age. I have great respect for people "any age" that comes with a idea and it actually works.

Last summer I went to a few Import only races. It was very impressive talking to these young guys and hearing how knowledgeable they are with the turbo's. I've even helped a few that had killed the trans and didnt have the money to pay the labor for someone to put their new parts in the trans. I'd tell them buy me lunch and I will take care of it for ya.

But in the end... Don't tell me how fast it is!! Please SHOW me!
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:17 PM
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wasnt Mr Yunick more known for cheating? or as he put it,carefully reading the rules?
sorry,had to smart a an answer or comment
Yes he was I'd love to know some of his "reading the rules" idea's.

But on the other hand... if it wasn't in the rule book was it cheating??
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Yes he was I'd love to know some of his "reading the rules" idea's.

But on the other hand... if it wasn't in the rule book was it cheating??
Off topic of this thread but I read somewhere that he put a propellor run alternator on the front of a car and every other driver was freaking out because of it.

Not cheating but he had to remove it.
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You don't think the majority of us have been learning from age 10 to way past your magical age of 35? Think before you post statements like that, some day you might gain a lot of this knowledge we "old pros" have.

I wonder why some hide their age in their profiles.
All I know is I'm glad I didn't peak at 35! Knowledge is cumulative- I learn things all the time- and unless those brilliant 35 y/o's are doing the same thing, they're standing still.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:28 PM
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All I know is I'm glad I didn't peak at 35! Knowledge is cumulative- I learn things all the time- and unless those brilliant 35 y/o's are doing the same thing, they're standing still.
Well said! I enjoy and look forward to someone actually proving their idea's. It amuses me when the "book" guys beat their chest on how smart they are but have never been to the track to really see if it works.

After seeing what these honda guys are doing with the turbo's, it almost makes me wanna do a turbo motor.
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If running an alternator using a propeller the losses would be as great if not greater than using a belt and a pulley system, alternator rpm being equal. Ain't no free rides and if aerodynamics mean anything, forget it.
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If running an alternator using a propeller the losses would be as great if not greater than using a belt and a pulley system, alternator rpm being equal. Ain't no free rides and if aerodynamics mean anything, forget it.
Of coarse.

Never heard claim that he went faster, just that everyone else complained about it immediately.
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If running an alternator using a propeller the losses would be as great if not greater than using a belt and a pulley system, alternator rpm being equal. Ain't no free rides and if aerodynamics mean anything, forget it.
you're assuming it wouldn't use air that was otherwise just increasing drag.
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You don't think the majority of us have been learning from age 10 to way past your magical age of 35? Think before you post statements like that, some day you might gain a lot of this knowledge we "old pros" have.

I wonder why some hide their age in their profiles.

Damn straight.

With "age" comes "experience".
Us old guys never stop learning, and we got a big headstart on the kiddies!

And most young folks who crew on a race team got a crash course from some "old dudes". So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!



I thought I was pretty good when I was young. But I can do more now than I could even "think" about back then.
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Damn straight.

With "age" comes "experience".
Us old guys never stop learning, and we got a big headstart on the kiddies!

And most young folks who crew on a race team got a crash course from some "old dudes". So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!



I thought I was pretty good when I was young. But I can do more now than I could even "think" about back then.
You've obviously never been around the ricer crowd. Pulling 200hp or better per liter is not a small task- on pump fuel no less, often with stock short blocks. Most of those guys are under 30.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:58 PM
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Dont matter if you spin ricer motors or flat heads, you cant beat experience, each crowd will have their guru's and I would bet it will be the one's who have been at it the longest amount of time.
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Dont matter if you spin ricer motors or flat heads
It most certainly does if you want to make big power and/or get good economy.

And that's exactly why in many cases the younger guys who grew up with DOHC, EFI, and turbos have the edge.
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comparing apples to oranges,,, its not about total performance or hp per liter, my point is that the one with more experience is gonna come out ahead everyday in his or her class, could be lawn mower racing.
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