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Old 09-12-2003, 11:40 PM
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Thumbs up question of debate about muscle cars

was the Second Gen. Trans Am considered to be one of the true muscle cars or were they just the only cars left in the 70's and early 80's with any power?? Just a question. thanks!

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Old 09-13-2003, 12:02 AM
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Well, it could be called a muscle car...
Just like Spam could be called meat....
They are both on each of their respective lists...
Just not close to the superlatives!!!!
I love my 79 Z-28 as much as my Monte, Chevelle or BB Imp
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Old 09-13-2003, 05:20 AM
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That would be a tough call.
Generally a muscle car would fall into makes of cars earlier than the second gen Firebird. You could argue that the earliest second gens were still muscle cars.The term usually applies to a time when cars weren't choked down by emissions laws and government standards.
Although looking back at the Trans-Am Super Duty, I would have to classify it as a muscle car regardless.
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Muscle ! meant HP i don't think any thing built after1975 had any so no Muscle Cars. just Muscle Look ! ! guess that was the Rice look for the American Cars, That was a real bad time! A Corvette had what 195 HP.
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Old 09-13-2003, 07:47 AM
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They had a V8 & the muscle look ( Kinda ) and I love all F-Body's so instead of calling it a muscle car call it a sports coupe? That might work better. Now my 02 Formula ran very low 13's off of the show room floor and on a decent track would have run in the 12's. So I think that Pontiac was correct when they made the commercials with the Ram Air Ta that said The Muscle Car Returns. Then they stopped making them 3 years later. GM Jamnut................
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I would certainly rank the early 2nd gen Trans Am as a muscle car. An early super duty 455 has plenty of torque and HP. With modern tire technology, these cars will run 13's easily. All of them had posi-trac and you could order any gear from the factory. They were heavier than the 67-69's were but had more torque to balance that out.
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the 73 and 74 SD T/As were the last of the true muscle cars. the
73 had 310 hp and 74 had 290 hp enough to run them in the
mid to high 13's. QMK
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I don't have any HP numbers but the TA's to and including the '74 SDs were real muscle cars. The '75 is when they got pathetic (I have a '75) 185 HP from a 400!

Sure they were muscle cars the '74 SD's were awesome and would put some of the late 60's Muscle cars to shame.


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I don't have any HP numbers but the TA's to and including the '74 SDs were real muscle cars. The '75 is when they got pathetic (I have a '75) 185 HP from a 400!

Sure they were muscle cars the '74 SD's were awesome and would put some of the late 60's Muscle cars to shame.


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A guy here in town bought a brand new '74 Formula 455 SD. From the factory they were detuned so badly they didn't run worth a damn, he refused to run me in my '67 GTO because he didn't want to "get embarassed", his words, not mine . Prior to the SD he had a '70 GTX 440 Six Pack that could clean my clock so he knew what my Goat could run ( "Koz", you should have kept the GTX ). The raw material was certainly there but as delivered they didn't do all that well. Bump the compression up a point or so and dyno tune it and it was a different story. I still consider them a musclecar though, they had all the makings, they just need some tweaking.
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Yes so long as its a 74 and older for the TA/firebird.
I say 73 and older for the camaro. (BTW I have a 70 and 72 camaro)
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