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Old 06-26-2006, 07:53 PM
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Questions on 327's sbc

In my quest of finding a good block for my 383 build I stumbled across two 327ís that I picked up for $150. One is a 67 small journal with closed chambered double hump heads and the second is a 69 large journal. Both engines have the larger valves just a hair under 2Ē (1.98 I think) neither one have been bored over, and 20 over would clean both up easy. The 67 is complete intake, distributor, exhaust manifold, flex plate, and even the alternator brackets. My questions are what is the value of the 67 engine, and is the 69 a good candidate for a 383 build? I would really enjoy telling the lie of the engine in the Z being a 327 especially with the cam that I have in mind. I have an owner of a local machine shop that has a love affair with the small journal 327ís and likes to sell them for number matching projects, he is interested in the 67 and is willing to bye out right or trade for it but he wants me to name my price. I just donít want to throw away any resources that could go into my 383. What should I ask for the engine? Any input would be appreciated.
Casting Numbers...
'67 327 numbers
Block 3903352 I216 TO930HO
Heads 5890462 I236
Intake 3805393

'69 327 numbers
Block 3932388 I238 19D009558 V0928FB
Heads 3827185 I283

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The last 327 I bought was a 66 with 462 heads, paid $200 for the complete engine oil pan to aircleaner, standard bore, forged crank... And I considered it a fair deal.

I'd guess yours would be worth $200-$500 in rebuildable condition, it's worth what the buyer is willing to pay.
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Ask him if you buy the parts,if he'll trade the machine work and assembly of your 383 shortblock in exchange for the small journal 327.
Just an idea.
BTW the 67 has the better heads The 462s are good stock heads and worth money to a collector.
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Ask him if you buy the parts,if he'll trade the machine work and assembly of your 383 short block in exchange for the small journal 327.
Just an idea.
BTW the 67 has the better heads The 462s are good stock heads and worth money to a collector.
Yea they're cosed chamber double humps. I have my machine work lined up free. That I want to build is an internally balanced forged H-beam floating piston short block. I think I'm going to offer him everything but the '69 block for a 3.75 forged crank.
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My books are showing that your 3903352 block was used in the 65/68 300 horse Vette with powerglide trans--designated by the HO stamp. The date code on the block will tell you the year it was used--worth quite a bit to a numbers matching project. Your 462 heads, depending on date code again were used on 66/68 275hp Pass, Cam, Nova and Chevelle---67 only,300&350hp Vette---67 only DZ 302---62/67 std and light duty Pass and truck. You have a fair bit of value there, so be careful that you don't get taken to the cleaners. Your 69 block with the FB stamp was used in 69 only in the 235hp full size pass. car with a powerglide trans. It was the last 327, and one of the few that were large journal, so watch your wallet and be aware of what you have--Good Stuff!!
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I always thought "Numbers matching" means it had part of the VIN stamped in it at the factory and is still in that vehicle and therefore the numbers on the engine match the last numbers in the VIN otherwise they are only "correct" for the vehicle. ??????????
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My books are showing that your 3903352 block was used in the 65/68 300 horse Vette with powerglide trans--designated by the HO stamp. The date code on the block will tell you the year it was used--worth quite a bit to a numbers matching project. Your 462 heads, depending on date code again were used on 66/68 275hp Pass, Cam, Nova and Chevelle---67 only,300&350hp Vette---67 only DZ 302---62/67 std and light duty Pass and truck. You have a fair bit of value there, so be careful that you don't get taken to the cleaners. Your 69 block with the FB stamp was used in 69 only in the 235hp full size pass. car with a powerglide trans. It was the last 327, and one of the few that were large journal, so watch your wallet and be aware of what you have--Good Stuff!!
From what I've been told so far is that the '67 327 could not be from a Vette because in '67 you could not get a powerglide and they had an alluminum intake not steel like what I have. But that is from the guy that wants the engines too. The guy I purchased the engines from swore up and down it was a Vette engine (but they all are right . The '69 came out of a '69 Impalla and after pulling the heads off of both engines I'd put $$ down that they have never been opened up. So the '69 holds a value also, so I sould not use that block for a 383 build? Any idea what the dollar value is on these engines Gizmo>
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The 69 327 crank if it's a forged version is a tough find and worth some bucks, the 69 327 blocks are the same as a 350.
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Sorry about the late reply--my moniter went south and I had to scrounge up another--as far as the dollar value on your goodies--Its a buyer/sellers market for that kind of stuff. I would use ebay or other sources for some base values on similar parts and go from there. I sold a set of 461 heads for $400, but they were assembled ready to go with new valves, springs, etc. I sold a set of 462's for $200 needing worked on.
Your 67 block could still be for a vette as a late production 66 unit for the 67 market, as that article stated, "the factory didn't alwary follow the rules". You will have to use the date code on the block to help designate that possibility. The only other HO stamp block my info shows is a 69 350 for the B body cars.
Double check your crank journal size again to make sure that you don't have a 350. I have a 67 MS stamp block that has the 327 cast number, but the large journal crank, but that was the first year of the 350 for the Camaro, and the factory used "old" stuff with new to get the job done. Serious research is needed to make sure what you have. Happy hunting!!
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I pulled a 327 from 67 Impala wagon that was backed by a power-glide and the block has the HO suffix code and double hump heads. Still have them gave $400 for the whole car nine years ago. The old Imp took 1st and 2nd at the local demo's.
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Keep The Small Journal

Build a Small Journal 383, speedomotive carries kits to stroke a small journal 327 to 383, Yes the 327 Vette engines are worth more, but there is no since not to use a good 327 for a performance build, the 383 small journal is all that and then some..


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67 Impala with 327

I was just wondering if anyone knows where I can get an engine diagram for my Imapala. Made the mistake of taking it apart and don't remember where some of the parts go. If someone knows it would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm sure the '69 is a 327 I rotated the crank and mesured the piston travel. I have a machine shop that is going to trade me a 383 high nickle 4 bolt forged internaly ballanced H-beam floating piston short block for the two engines.
With my heads I should have no problem putting over 400 hp to the rear wheels.
Thank you guys for all your help.
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