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I'm putting a 350 in a 87 S10 that originally had a 4 cylinder.....can anyone help me out on what I should use up front as far as springs and shocks go. I was told the stock springs werent heavy enough for the V8. This is not an everyday driver...just a weekend hotrod. Has anyone tried the Moroso racing springs? I saw a guy at a car show with these on his V8 S10...said they made his front end raise quite a bit allowing more weight transfer to the back for better traction. I will be using 2 or 3 inch drop spindles. Any help would be appreciated.

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Hey thanks for all the replys ! ! <img src="graemlins/crash.gif" border="0" alt="[crash]" /> What would I do without you guys? (Yes I'm being sarcastic)
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HRS10,

yes, the sarcasm is thick right now!

anyway, just my opinion, buy i would get a MOOG catalogue and find out what coils were put in your truck for a V8 engine. that's simple enough.

if you want weight transfer to the back, then get some 90/10 shocks from a hotrod shop. The coils won't have much to do with the transfer, they're for keeping your oil pan from scraping the pavement. Another thing you could do is move your gas tank as far back as possible and put your battery way at the back somewhere.

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Ahhh racing springs, they must be special if their called racing. Give these guys a call and tell them what you want to do. Springs are springs, material, winding and heatreat are the options available when making them. They will make you whatever you specify.

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I have purchased from these guys in the past and have been extremely pleased with the results, not everyone has been though. One of the cheapest out there by far.

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racing springs... for what kind of racing?? you say you are lowering your truck.. are you going open track racing? for weight transfer you should actually raise the truck to aid the front end come up easyer and mashing the rear even harder. if i were you i would put in springs to make the s-10 handle and then unhook the front anti roll bar and inflate the right air bag when running the track..
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Air bags? I'm not doing air bags and I'm not open track racing either. This truck was supposed to be my version of a cheap street rod....until I learned that there is no such thing as a "cheap" street rod. I'm lowering the truck simply to make it look better but I want to beef up the front suspension to handle the 350 since it originally had a 4 cylinder. Thanks for all the reply's (no really, I mean it this time). And 4 Jaw thanks for the links, I'm goin check em out now.

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.. i wasent refering to air suspension but to those helper springs you can install for loadcarrying. if you mount one on the right side in the rear you can have a car that when running the streets are set up normally, and when the helper spring is inflated slightly will hook up more evenly with the tourque momentum applied at launch. its just a cheap part time racing trick... and it helps dial in your ride
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I woulda never thought of something like that...thanks for passing that one on to me though, I might try it one day. Something tells me that once I get this thing running I'm gonna be doing everything I possibly can to plant the rear tires. I already had plans to move the gas tank and battery to the rear of the bed. The reason I was asking about the front springs is because I have to change them anyway so why not get something that might possibly help with weight transfer to the rear. The Moroso springs I was talking about originally are "Trick springs", not racing springs...my bad. Thanks again for the info. Anyone wanta recommend a good shock?
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Moroso trick springs are in fact a special spring for racing.Since they cost about the same as the jobber on a set of stock replacemnt springs I wouldnt say they are a bad deal.Trick springs are made out of smaller then normal wire diameter with tighter winding.The idea is that if you used a very stiff{high rate}spring that was cut to provide the exact loaded height,you might find that the spring runs out of push before the front of the car{or truck}finished rising,but with a thinner lower rate spring the spring will keep pushing until the front end is on the bumpstops.If you pull a Moroso trick spring out of the box,it is about twice as long unloaded as a high perfromance street spring for the same application,but the wire will be much thinner,and you will have to wrestle it down to fit into the spring pocket,but as soon as you drop the weight of the car on it it will compress with ease.I put a set of trick spring and 90/10's in my car and even with a big block chevy in it,I could grab the radiator support and bounce the car 2 or 3 times and the front end would bounce right off the ground.They also make many different trick springs for different front end weights but you still usually have to trim them a bit to get the height just right.Here is the ticket for soft front suspention.Run 90/10 shocks,and the correct trick springs,chuck the front sway bar,and double nut the front suspention.Here is how you do that.When the springs are out,lift and lower the front lower control arm and feel if it is stiff or loose.If you have to push on it for it to lower,loosen the front lower control arm bolts a bunch and put a prybar or screwdriver between the arm and the frame brackets and loosen up the fit a little bit,then retighten the bolts while you raise and lower the arm and only snug them up until you feel a small amount of drag on the lower arm.Next loosen the upper bushing nuts and tighten them down intil the upper arm is just getting drag.On the lower arms,you may find that you want to add an extra nut to the bolt just to lock the first nut,but it isnt really needed if they have factory lock nuts{but it is why they call it double nutting the suspention},On a leaf spring car/truck,you can also do the same thing to the leaf spring bushings and rear shackle bolts and this will allow the suspention to hit the tires harder.On an otherwise tight front end{no worn out parts}this wont make the car handle as horrible as you might think.A Camaro prepared like this will drive about as smooth as a mid 70's Coupe De Ville with the original 30 year old shocks,but it will still be drivable.The only other thing I can recommend for your truck would be offset upper contol arm shafts.These shafts are designed for use in collision repairs,but if you put them on both sides and kick the upper ball joint out,the alingment shop will have more room to work with so they can add more shims and get the correct caster for a performance wheel alignment,which is important since the stock truck front end specs arent really designed for high speed stability.Good luck,and keep it straight.
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[quote]Originally posted by HotRodS10:
<strong>I'm putting a 350 in a 87 S10 that originally had a 4 cylinder.....can anyone help me out on what I should use up front as far as springs and shocks go. I was told the stock springs werent heavy enough for the V8. This is not an everyday driver...just a weekend hotrod. Has anyone tried the Moroso racing springs? I saw a guy at a car show with these on his V8 S10...said they made his front end raise quite a bit allowing more weight transfer to the back for better traction. I will be using 2 or 3 inch drop spindles. Any help would be appreciated.

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[quote]Originally posted by HotRodS10:
<strong>I'm putting a 350 in a 87 S10 that originally had a 4 cylinder.....can anyone help me out on what I should use up front as far as springs and shocks go. I was told the stock springs werent heavy enough for the V8. This is not an everyday driver...just a weekend hotrod. Has anyone tried the Moroso racing springs? I saw a guy at a car show with these on his V8 S10...said they made his front end raise quite a bit allowing more weight transfer to the back for better traction. I will be using 2 or 3 inch drop spindles. Any help would be appreciated.

HRS10</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have an 87 s10 longbed that had a 2.8 V-6 in it. I put a 355 sbc in it with aluminum heads, intake & water pump. That lightened it up quite a bit, not sure of the weight but I installed new 2.8 V-6 front coils and it handles it perfectly. I also lowered my truck 2" in front, 4" in rear.
If your motor has iron heads, intake & water pump I bet you could easily get by with stock chevy 4.3 V-6 front coils springs. Hope that helps!
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