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08-03-2003, 01:02 AM
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Rain gutter shaving
SUp people iv been working on shaving the rain gutters on my 1972 ford pinto. THis is my 1st job iv ever done. So far I think it looks hella good with no bondo in the section that was brazed a little. My dad told meto get map gas and braze to fill in the gap, so I did. I cut the rest of the rain gutter out. The biggest gap is a quarter of an inch gap. Brazing alont I know I can do it. My dad quickly tack welded it with the arc welder. It did a good job, filled a small section of the gap in no time. All together solder and arc welding we filled about 5 inches of a 40 inch long gap. My dad sat down and was like son this is the last of cutting the car. Im like this is just the beginning. Im gonna bondo it. . He aint even doin the ********* work. He said he might be able to barrow a friends mig welder. We have an arc welder but he dont want to use it he said a mig welder would work better. I can also solder it. WHich should I do? Should I make a template, cut some metal and weld it over the gap?
As you might tell im a little pissed with him getting on my case. 1 thing goes wrong and its my ***. What should I do thanks, Chris Ill post pics if needed 
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08-03-2003, 04:29 AM
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Chris, You cant get on your dads case too much. Not everyone shares the same dreams as you do. I would still look into a local community college for classes for body repair and welding. That way you will be independant on your vision. Some people will tell you that a Pinto is not worth the effort, They are also the same people that will order a Streetrod from a local builder or thru catalogs and bolt them together.
As far as the work you plan on doing a mig welder would be the BEST investment you could make. It will be the welder of choice for all your plans and takes very little time to start welding like a pro. Go here http://www.harborfreightusa.com/head...unction=Search and type in "mig welder" in the search. You want a 110 volt welder that takes the gas. It looks like one could be had for under $250.00.
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08-03-2003, 07:31 AM
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don't give your dad too much crap bro'... he IS helping you afterall...
arc welders certainly aren't designed for doing thin sheet bodywork... a MIG will make things a LOT easier... if you manage to borrow one, get a practice panel from some old POS and try it out, you'll see what i mean. the arc, if you use it for any more than a split second, will start warping the bejeezuz out of the panel, where the MIG (which you will still need to use with restraint to avoid warpage) is much more suitable... wherever you have chopped into your car, make sure you've treated any freshly exposed edges or all your hard work will disappear in a puff of rust before you know it... good luck...
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08-03-2003, 07:59 AM
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First of all listen to your dad,then you`ll know what he knows and what you know. Sounds like you should make a patch for that gap. you should definitely use a mig, it is the right tool for the job.
I don`t know what kind of solder your using, but you might get a chemical reaction when you paint.I would never use it on body work. You need to use the spell checker. Between your spelling and your colorful language, its hard to understand your post. you will get more answers if you do. just some friendly advise. HTH Good Luck Troy
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08-03-2003, 10:54 AM
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Chris...post some pics and lets see what you got going on. Don't be too hard on ole' dad. He's just trying to help you out in ways you won't understand for a few years then all of a sudden it will hit you. Get some pics on here and we'll see what we can tell you to simplify things. Sounds like you got too much going on with bondo, solder, mapp gas, and whatever else. It probably should be migged, filled with a filler piece, and then some body filler.
Kevin 
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08-03-2003, 06:33 PM
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Ill go ahead and post some pictures of the car stripped and the shaving job.
http://groups.msn.com/BettaPics/shoebox.msnw In that link there are pictures of the before car paint job that dad an I did. There were a few big time mistakes. So I stripped down 6 layers of paint  I chemical stripped it inside and out. Went over it with a 3m paint grinder. Pictures of the engine bay with miscelanious things taken out that will me relocated to the inner fender. Also pictures of the cut rain gutter. Today went good dad showd me how to arc weld. Its ****** but took some time to get the hang of. Last edited by ChrisMiddleron; 08-03-2003 at 06:49 PM.
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08-03-2003, 06:47 PM
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nope
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08-03-2003, 06:54 PM
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there I just edited it try that link
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08-03-2003, 07:08 PM
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Looked at your picture,Whooooeeee what a gap. the top is not attached enough for good support, sooo there will be some warpege.
Looks like you removed to much to start with.(I know that`s what you wanted to hear).The top is held on by many little spot welds that also hold the rain gutter on, instead of cutting that strep out you should have cut the gutter of, or ground it of ,down to those spot welds and went from there. That would have left the top skin attached. The only choice you have now is to weld in a strep of metal.very-very slowly, with a good mig. I tired to post a picture of gutters removed from a camaro but couldn`t make it work for me. http://groups.msn.com/someoftroycurtscars last page #9725 scan02. HTH Good Luck Troy  PS,next time listen to the old man.lol Last edited by troy-curt; 08-03-2003 at 08:05 PM.
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08-03-2003, 07:22 PM
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08-03-2003, 07:23 PM
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now i see why your ol' man was yelling at you!!!! j/k....
hmmmm too big for filling with a mig....... does the top flex at all? like can you pull the top closer to the bottom? looks like sheet metal cut and patch time for sho'......
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08-03-2003, 07:53 PM
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Well the pinto has a curve and then the rain gutter so I cut off both. Well at least he cheered up t-day and tought me how to arc weld. Hes also buying a mig welder to
 So far we talked about buying some pipe and bending it inside of the gap, then welding it.Or just fiberglassing in the gap and bondo over it. What ya think?
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08-03-2003, 08:09 PM
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Lot of stress in a top. It has to be welded solid. Just put a piece behind it tight and weld. It has to be welded.
Troy
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08-03-2003, 08:22 PM
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m m m m m m m metal m m m m man........
what troy said.......
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08-03-2003, 09:28 PM
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Ok thanks guys
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