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Old 07-26-2006, 09:42 AM
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Rambler American help

I am considering buying a 68 Rambler American right now it has a 199 six in it was wondering how hard it would be to put sbc and trans in? Any info would be great.

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I had a 67 AMC Ambasador Conv. a wile back.It had a 290 ci V8 in it.The guy that I sold it to put a SBC init,and other than motor mounts,he said it wasnt alot of trouble.Sorry I dont have any pics of it,or more info for you.


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That's what I've heard so far. That it's not much trouble just motor mounts and possibly tranny. Never tried my hand at any fabrication. I no problems with metal work and welding though. I guess I'll just have to get my feet wet and see how things turn out. thanks for the reply
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I'd save a little time and just put in a 268 I6 or a 4.0 I6. should bolt right in.
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Old 07-28-2006, 12:49 AM
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Elky, I'm a big AMC/Rambler fan, but I don't begrudge anyone doing what they want with THEIR car. The only problem you'll have with this swap is that most AMC/Rambler fans DO have a problem with other make engines in their favored brands. It will be frowned upon at most AMC shows, though the biggest club (AMO -- www.amonational.com) has started a show class for non-AMC powered AMC vehicles temporarily. They start new classes like this and run them 3-4 years to judge participation and reaction. Most AMC clubs strictly forbid judging on non-AMC powered cars, and a few don't even allow displaying on the show field. But don't fault them -- would you take a Camaro with a ford 351 to an all Chevy show and not expect some animosity?

That said, the big problem is that unless the car is very well done, you'll have problems selling it later. Most Chevy people will think you wasted the engine, and most AMC/Rambler people will think you ruined the car. The true hot rodders will be accepting of it, they put anything in anything, but the car will appeal to a much narrower audience.

My advice, especially if this is going to be a driver, is the find a pre 96 Jeep 4.0L, preferably 2WD, and drop that in. It will have as much power as a stock AMC 304, Chevy 305, or Ford 302 (190 hp stock). The electronics are relatively easy to install, especially if you have access to the entire Jeep donor. Just pick everything out of the Jeep and drop it in. Wiring is easy -- there's just 3-4 wires that need ot be spliced into the Rambler harness, everything else is between the engine and computer. Check my gallery -- I have a 4.6L (stroked 4.0L) in my 63 Rambler Classic. There are a couple details you'll have to consider, just let me know if you decide to go that way. Alternately, you can hop up an AMC/Jeep 258 six. Plenty speed parts for those!

Two considerations -- the trans bolt pattern on your six is different than later models. Yours uses the "small" six bolt pattern used from the 40s through 1971. In 1972 AMC changed the bell housing bolt pattern on the six to match that of the AMC V-8. No matter what newer engine you go with, you'll need a trans as well. The rear axle is an AMC model 15. It has a 7-9/16" ring gear, so is the equivalent of a 10 bolt GM or 8" Ford. It will hold up to 250 hp or so, but not much more. If you want to build something up to 300+ hp, you'll have to change the rear axle. An 8.8" out of a Ford Explorer is about the right width.

If you insist on putting a Chevy in, use 64 or so Chevy truck mounts. They have one stud on the bottom. The AMC six perches are just a bit forward, but you can weld a plate on top to match up with the Chevy mounts. The trans crossmember will have to be modified for whatever trans you use. You'll find bolt holes to move the existing crossmember either forward or back about four inches. The forward location is for manual trans, the rear for autos (which are generally longer). I don't mind heloing install a Chevy engine -- it's your car, and I'd rather you do it safely without hacking the car up. At least it can be restored tp proper AMC power later that way, or at least survive for parts for a proper Rambler!
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Thanks for the Info. I havn't even bought the car yet but I like the body style and the car is in to good shape to let go to waste. Dosn't need anything body wise other than a windsheild and a couple patch panels in the lower rear quater nothing major trunk and floor pan are solid. I guess I looking at chevy because thts what I'm good at and I have at least 6 blocks sitting in the garage waiting for cars. Just looking for information and different options right now trying to decide weather or not to buy. I've searched the local scrap yards and All I've found so far is a 69 Ambassador with a v8 not sure which one and a couple hornet wagons not sure of years late 60s or early 70s though. They have no motors or tranny. As far as two wheel drive jeeps not going to find one in north dakota.Just trying to build a nice car on a military income and raise a family so any help and advice is valued.
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A local guy used to run a Rambler Scrambler with a Big Block Chevy back in the late 60s-early 70s. So a SBC should be no problem.
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so how is minot north dakota.........these days. I can understand why you want to put that chevy engine in........there arent much old parts yards up there.........I was also in the military up there........but you said you had 6 engines laying around.......wow you must live off base. I just remember it is colder that crap up there..........thats where I bought my 64 volkswagen van out front of the furniture store on rought (83?) the main road....also bought my 66 volkswagen bug from the local junk yard......mbm auto parts.........they work on foreign cars and have a junk yard in the back...might give them a try for parts.........and say hi to gene miller for me.lol..........I think they had american cars too for parts.
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There are quite a few Jeep nuts.... errr "specialists" online in the multople Jeep groups I'm on. Getting a Jeep Comanche that is 4x4 is unusual in most areas, so the 2WD stuff isn't as hard to get as you think.
I have a 2wd BA 10/5 that was rebuilt by the dealer and except for a minor oil leak, it has been taking the abuse of 3.73 gears and 33" tires with up to 2,000lb loads for the past 2 years. The 4.0L it's hooked up to has 230,000 miles on it (as of last night) and I can feel the clutch getting worse.
It's going to get swapped out for an AW4 auto with tcase (so I can finish the 4x4 conversion. Only thing holding me back is time to do it! The 4.0L will give you economy with power (almost double the 199's HP and torque) and keep it AMC powered. If you go EFI, you can use the whole assembly from the Jeep or get a Mopar conversion kit that is CA approved (are drivetrain conversions approved in your area? You may have to smog test the car and my '87 MJ passed the Etest here in Seattle without a cat with output levels of a 2000 vehicle)
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:55 AM
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elky, if you have a good running Chevy engine already you may as well go ahead and drop it in. You'll just need a transmission too. You'll need to modify the engine mount perches as I said earlier, the trans mount area, and the driveshaft. The rear axle will hold up quite a while unless you put real wide/sticky tires on and do lots of burn outs. But it will last a couple years even then. If you run across a 79-83 Concord or Spirit pull the front disc brakes and spindles. The spindles bolt on and use the same bolt pattern as the bolt on Rambler spindles. Just swap the parts and you have disc brakes. You could use earlier models, but the rotors are expensive and hard to find.

That Ambassador will have a 290 or 343 V-8 most likely, though it could have a 390. Any of them would be great engines, though the 390 is the prize. Since the engine is still there I'm betting it's the 290 or 343. Even the 343 was a hi-po engine though -- 10:1 compression on all. Hornets and Gremlins were made from 1970-77, Concord and Spirit (just modified Hornet and Gremlin) from 78-83.
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327 drop in

Sorry I'm a little late on this reply but I just joined this forum. As it so happens, I have a 64' Rambler with a stock 327 (my 07' winter project). I noticed that no one mentioned this as an alternative. Pardon my ignorance but, are there issues with this engine that I am not aware of? Seems to me that if you just want more cubes, why not go modified stock?
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How about a 4.0?

What you will find in N.Dakota, is the 4.0 liter Jeep Cherokee motor. It is way more powerful than the smaller AMC six you've already got and I have seen them converted to a little four barrel (ditching the e-fuel injection).
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Мне кто нить сможет подсказать ?? наткнулся тут недавно на мебель для террас когда себе на дачу мебель искал, что она и в правду как говорят специально разработана и сделана из спец материалов? Или это все так очередная реклама ???
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Мне кто нить сможет подсказать ?? наткнулся тут недавно на мебель для террас когда себе на дачу мебель искал, что она и в правду как говорят специально разработана и сделана из спец материалов? Или это все так очередная реклама ???
right...right....I see what you did there....LOL
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Wolverine, you have a Rambler Classic or Ambassador. Elky has an American. The 287/327 was used in the big cars, never in the small ones. The 66+ 290/343 was used in the 66+ Americans and will bolt right in. The GEN-1 AMC V-8 is a bit bulkier and heavier. It's been put in the American body before, but it's a tighter fit and an older engine with no readily available performance parts. There are a few things you can do to get more out of the older engines, but I wouldn't go out of my way to get one when the newer AMC V-8 is much easier to work with.

Greenbird, the only problem Elky has with the 4.0L is that finding a 2WD trans for it will be hard in North Dakota, or any snow country. I had a guy look at my 2WD Cherokee and ask why I took the front axle out. He was from Pennsylvania and have never seen or head of a 2WD Jeep! Same in most snow country. The 72+ car transmissions will fit the 4.0L, but they are hard to find too. Remember, the last rear drive AMC car was made in 1983! Six cylinder cars used a TF-904, so it would need beefing up to use for long behind a 4.0L. 304s used a 998, which should be good, and the 360s and larger used a 727, which is a bit overkill but works.
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