Rant about aftermarket sheetmetal - Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> Body - Exterior
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 07:43 AM
cyclopsblown34's Avatar
Colorsanding painter
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Russellville, Missouri
Age: 47
Posts: 983
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 101
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Rant about aftermarket sheetmetal

I'm currently working on a 69 Camaro and it has all new sheetmetal for the frontend. It is supposedly from a top aftermarket manufacturer but holy cow its it ever crap. The driver side fender is 1/4" longer than the passenger fender down the top and the side. Where the driver fender butts up to the header panel, it is curved away from it. It doesn't match the curvature of the door and the door is an unmolested original. Is this common with aftermarket sheetmetal? I've never had this much trouble with later model aftermarket sheetmetal.
When the car was dropped off at my house/shop, all the metal was haphazardly installed on it and it was obvious it didn't fit at that point. I knew I had some cutting and welding to do.

Thanks for reading and sorry for the rant, I just needed to vent.

    Advertisement
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 08:09 AM
MARTINSR's Avatar
Brian Martin,Freelance adviser
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San francisco bay area
Age: 55
Posts: 13,276
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1,418
Thanked 1,219 Times in 1,075 Posts
First off ANY aftermarket part is going to be garbage simply by the odds. As a friend of mine said once after opening a box that just arrived with a part for his 65 Vette.

"If they wanted to be honest, instead of saying Exactly as original in the catalog they should say Similar to original, can be used if nothing else is available"

I have taken "good" repro parts off of a finished, painted car to replace them with damaged original pieces I then repaired. Repro sheetmetal is usually GARBAGE and I will avoid it at all costs. I MUCH, MUCH rather repair old rusty metal than spend MORE time putting some Chinese piece of crap on the car.

So no, you are not in the minority.

Brian
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 08:23 AM
cyclopsblown34's Avatar
Colorsanding painter
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Russellville, Missouri
Age: 47
Posts: 983
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 101
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
It wasn't even CAPA/Cert Labeled. It just had a part number and made in Taiwan on it. I found out last night the owner has the original fenders at his house but they're dented. I'm going to see if he'll go for me fixing and using them and then he can sell this aftermarket crap.

Thanks Brian, your posts and BDBM's posts make sense to me and get me in the right direction.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 09:01 AM
Registered User
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle, Wa
Posts: 6,906
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 4
Thanked 465 Times in 400 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclopsblown34
I'm currently working on a 69 Camaro and it has all new sheetmetal for the frontend. It is supposedly from a top aftermarket manufacturer but holy cow its it ever crap. The driver side fender is 1/4" longer than the passenger fender down the top and the side. Where the driver fender butts up to the header panel, it is curved away from it. It doesn't match the curvature of the door and the door is an unmolested original. Is this common with aftermarket sheetmetal? I've never had this much trouble with later model aftermarket sheetmetal.
When the car was dropped off at my house/shop, all the metal was haphazardly installed on it and it was obvious it didn't fit at that point. I knew I had some cutting and welding to do.

Thanks for reading and sorry for the rant, I just needed to vent.
50 year old worn out production dies that GM sold for scrap 49 years ago.

Bogie
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 09:17 AM
poncho62's Avatar
Out of the Loop Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Streetbeasts links
Last journal entry: at car show
Last photo:
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Hanover, Ontario, Canada
Age: 62
Posts: 16,926
Wiki Edits: 5

Thanks: 22
Thanked 284 Times in 225 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbogie
50 year old worn out production dies that GM sold for scrap 49 years ago.

Bogie
Only, 40 years old....but the point is still the same.......
__________________
Ontario Rodders

Budget RVs
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 10:22 AM
MARTINSR's Avatar
Brian Martin,Freelance adviser
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San francisco bay area
Age: 55
Posts: 13,276
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1,418
Thanked 1,219 Times in 1,075 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbogie
50 year old worn out production dies that GM sold for scrap 49 years ago.

Bogie

I believe this has proven to be an urban myth. They were destroyed before being scrapped.

Brian
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 11:30 AM
poncho62's Avatar
Out of the Loop Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Streetbeasts links
Last journal entry: at car show
Last photo:
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Hanover, Ontario, Canada
Age: 62
Posts: 16,926
Wiki Edits: 5

Thanks: 22
Thanked 284 Times in 225 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by MARTINSR
I believe this has proven to be an urban myth. They were destroyed before being scrapped.

Brian
Thats probably why they make such crappy parts with them.........
__________________
Ontario Rodders

Budget RVs
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 11:32 AM
OneMoreTime's Avatar
Hotrodders.com moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Health and safety in the shop or garage
Last journal entry: Yard Dog pic
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Washington State
Age: 70
Posts: 7,427
Wiki Edits: 3

Thanks: 58
Thanked 162 Times in 151 Posts
Now one understands about getting involved with the guys at metalmeet.com and learning how to make sheet metal parts from sheet as at the end of the day your parts will fit better than what we get from aftermarket and the amount of work is doable..

Sam
__________________
I have tried most all of it and now do what is known to work..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 11:55 AM
Kevin45's Avatar
Just one of the guys
 

Last journal entry: Garage Toys
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Urbana, Ohio
Age: 58
Posts: 3,058
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1
Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts
I have yet to put on an aftermarket sheetmetal part that hasn't taken an extra day or two to tweek and repair. If you get the original fenders, weigh an original vs. the aftermarket. Huge difference.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 11:56 AM
cyclopsblown34's Avatar
Colorsanding painter
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Russellville, Missouri
Age: 47
Posts: 983
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 101
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneMoreTime
Now one understands about getting involved with the guys at metalmeet.com and learning how to make sheet metal parts from sheet as at the end of the day your parts will fit better than what we get from aftermarket and the amount of work is doable..

Sam
I see what is accomplished on metalmeet and am humbled. There are some talented artisans on there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 11:59 AM
cyclopsblown34's Avatar
Colorsanding painter
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Russellville, Missouri
Age: 47
Posts: 983
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 101
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin45
I have yet to put on an aftermarket sheetmetal part that hasn't taken an extra day or two to tweek and repair. If you get the original fenders, weigh an original vs. the aftermarket. Huge difference.
I'm hoping he'll go for me using the original sheetmetal. He wanted to start with new metal so he knew it was rust free. The guys who started on the car sold him on that idea. Then the guy got overwhelmed and bailed on the project, left my buddy with an unfinished car. I bet I've pulled out one pound of shims from the front clip.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 05:38 PM
Hwyhogg's Avatar
Registered User
 
Last wiki edit: Electrolytic rust removal
Last journal entry: 2.75 in..3.50 posi out
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Spring Hill, Florida
Posts: 493
Wiki Edits: 6

Thanks: 1
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
About 4 years ago, my entire front clip,(including headlights), was stolen. After 4 years of looking at fiberglass parts and reproduction steel as well as finding some really honest users, I bought original parts. NONE of the people I spoke with said the aftermarket parts were truly "bolt on" perfect. All said they required some "massaging". Since I'm not a massager, I decided I'd rather spend the money and shipping on originals. Just my two cents.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 06:38 PM
1slow64's Avatar
Registered User
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: florida
Posts: 32
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I had the same problem with my 69. The aftermarket stuff is garbage. If I could have found a solid donor I would have used it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 08:54 PM
MARTINSR's Avatar
Brian Martin,Freelance adviser
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San francisco bay area
Age: 55
Posts: 13,276
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1,418
Thanked 1,219 Times in 1,075 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclopsblown34

He wanted to start with new metal so he knew it was rust free. The guys who started on the car sold him on that idea. Then the guy got overwhelmed and bailed on the project, left my buddy with an unfinished car. I bet I've pulled out one pound of shims from the front clip.
Poor buggers who fall for that crap. I have seen people throwing away perfectly good OEM stuff because it isn't "perfect" to replace it with repro garbage, sad.

Brian
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 01-18-2010, 09:44 PM
Registered User
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lakeville,MN
Posts: 102
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Aftermarket body parts are notorious for not fitting.
You just hope that it's something fixable with some shims and a die grinder.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Recent Body - Exterior posts with photos

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Aftermarket Anti-lock Brakes?????? coda618 Suspension - Brakes - Steering 1 10-10-2008 10:14 AM
Need some math help.... sheetmetal cones Slomotion34 Body - Exterior 13 05-20-2008 11:00 PM
Aftermarket spring cups or let the springs rest on a shim? sizemoremk Engine 3 01-13-2006 02:51 PM
Aftermarket mustang sheetmetal 66StangBoy Body - Exterior 12 04-22-2005 04:12 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.