[antirice]

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...5&pagenumber=8

if you have the time to read this thread, do so, ultimate ownage!

[jamnut]

I'm a member of that board, in fact if you go back a few pages in that same thread you will see a user name Jamnutz with the same exact avatar I have on this site. That's me.

The guy that started that thread Futurestrader has been talking about what he owns for a long time and wouldn't come up with any proof. I don't know if it's actually ownage or what. He has had many chances over the last year to clear his name & didn't.

LS1.com is a great board, but it has a serious troll problem and lots of flaming goes on overthere. Half the stuff that people say over there wouldn't be tolerated on this site. But it is a board with well over 40k members and that's the price you gotta pay I guess.

This is his biggest bragging thread since he came up with pictures

[PrimeMover]

You guys say you hate this kind of crap. Why dignify it by dragging it up here to this board? I don't think there is ANYONE here at Hotrodder's.com that needs yet another in-depth explanation of what a "troll" is, or where one can be found.

Get over it

[jamnut]

Primemover
I don't bring that stuff over here, I own an LS1 car and that site has really good tech in every other forum except for the Off Topic forum that that post was made in. The forum that was posted in is LS1.com's version of the Dump.

[Moby302]

Well I just spent an interesting half hour or so going thru all the posts, two things puzzle me, no make that 3. #1, what does 'owned' mean, #2 what does 'PROPS' stand for, #3 why did everyone doubt what car he had, its not like its an extremely rare or expensive car, and would he really stick around for a year if it was not his car, oh yeah, one more thing. I am really really glad there is not that much swearing on this site, I am no 'ma grundy' but reading all the swear words gets a bit much after awhile and it really does not prove much, anyone can type in the words, it takes a real man/woman to control the urge to.

[BigBlockBabe]

Originally posted by Moby302
#3 why did everyone doubt what car he had, its not like its an extremely rare or expensive car, and would he really stick around for a year if it was not his car

Its not just that car, I haven't followed it all, but he claims to have a hot wife, big house, lots of money and more exotic cars. He even took $150,000 out of the bank so he could take pics of it. (Oh and the car is special, its a Hurst edition TA - I think.)

Its been going on with that guy for awhile, just like Jamnut said. I'm a member over there as well.

[Kevin45]

I read thru that thread!! WHEW I would like to have a buck for everytine the word "owned", "props" or "naysayers" came up. I could post a pic then. Man everyone must follow everyone on that site when it comes to language. At least on here we sound a little more like individuals. What I also like is how they kiss his *** afterwards. LOL!!!!

MOBY......

props n 1. praise, compliments. One usually "gives" props. Sometimes prefixed with "mad". ("I'll give Joe props for that crazy stunt.")

own v 1. to defeat someone severely in a verbal argument or in a competition. To "put someone in their place." Used frequently in online gaming. When used to describe a verbal argument, the term is generally used to describe a situation in which one person attempts to deal a closing blow in the argument, but is shot down by evidence that completely destroys the foundation of that person's argument. Possibly originates from computer "cracker" slang: "own root," which means that one "owns" the system administrator account, typically by possessing its password. Also spelled pwn, pwned, etc. ("You just got owned!" "I just owned you!")

ownage n 1. an action or event in which someone was owned or someone owned another person. (That is, defeated them severely.) ("That was complete ownage!" "That shot was ownage!") -exclamation 1. "ownage" can be used alone as an exclamation upon witnessing a stunning defeat

Don't feel bad I had to look it up in a slang dictionary!!!!! Just think of it this way...the older we get the dumber they sound!! LOL!!

Kevin

[Moby302]

the older we get the dumber they sound!! LOL!!

Yep, I totally agree.

Did'nt one of the cougars come out with a Hurst shifter or something like that, that made it quite a rare cougar? And if I am totally off course.........sorry *red faced apology* in advance, I hate grovelling afterwards

[BigBlockBabe]

And it wasn't the guy with the car that got owned, it was all the haters and disbelievers on the website. He talks about all these things he has and everybody would call BS and give him a hard time, well, he posted the pics for proof, therefore the ones that called BS got owned.


Moby, there was also a Hurst Olds I think. I remember it being gold and black, but thats all I can tell ya. Old skool muscle.

[Kevin45]

Hey Triple B....Hurst Olds started in the late '60's and ended in the late '80's Hurst Olds were modified by the Hurst company for sale by GM.

1968 HO



The 1968 Hurst/Olds was a limited production of 515 cars. It was powered by a special 455 with W-30 components that produced 390 horsepower. It also came with under the bumper forced air induction, better known as Ram-Air. GM was not allowed to put any engine larger than a 400 cid in any A- body car, so Oldsmobile originally marketed the car as being built by Demmer Industries, but later we found out that all Demmer did was add the Hurst Dual Gate shifter and console, the walnut dash inserts, Hurst/Olds emblems and the special black markings. Oldsmobile in fact had built and installed the Monster Engines without the GM bigwigs finding out.


1972 HO


Pictured with Miss Hurst Linda Vaughn

1973 HO which was my favorite. White on white with Gold trim


1979 GM HO downsized model


1988 HO and the end



Hurst Olds History '68-'88
1968:
In 1968, GM had a corporate edict that forbade the installation of any engine larger than 400 cubic inches in an intermediate body. Thus, the 442 had a 400, the Chevelle a 396 and the GTO a 389. Shifter mogul George Hurst had a '68 442 that he had swapped an Olds 455 into, and found the swap to be not only successful, but relatively simple. Not only was there an increase in power, but the 455 actually weighed less then the 400 it replaced, so the 442's legendary handling remained intact. George's right-hand man, Jack "Doc" Watson, took the idea of the engine swap a few steps further, adding special paint, a Hurst shifter, engine modifications, and a walnut dash applique, and the Hurst/Olds was born.

The first Hurst/Olds was almost a sleeper. Sedate looking in its silver and black paint scheme, it was far from sedate acting with 390 horsepower nestling under the hood. Based on the already potent 442, the H/O featured a special Toronado-only paint color, Peruvian silver, accented with black stripes and a black trunk. The 442's 400 was replaced with a hot-rodded 455 from the Toronado, which featured big-valve heads, lumpy cam, specially modified carb and distributor, and the W30's ram air induction system, with twin scoops under the front bumper. Air conditioned cars lost 10 horsepower, but still, the "gentleman's hot rod" was able to show its taillights to most competitors. A unique feature found on the '68 was the red plastic inner fender liners, which were slipped into the package by Olds boss John Beltz. On the inside, the '68 featured a walnut inlay on the dash panel and a short plastic console that housed the Hurst Dual Gate shifter. Production started on the cars late in the model year, and was handled by Demmer Engineering in Lansing, MI. Demmer had only about 30 days to convert the planned run of 500 cars. Olds had thousands of orders it couldn't fill, and the production run was finally upped to 515 to accomodate a Lansing area Olds dealer who demanded more cars. The '68 was a success by any standard, and would pave the way for a long relationship between Oldsmobile Division and Hurst Performance.


1969:
The H/O returned for '69, moving to the opposite end of the spectrum from it's silver older brother. This year, the car went wild with Cameo white paint, Hurst Fire Frost gold stripes and panels, and a monster "mailbox" hood scoop and functional rear wing. The fiberglass hood-mounted scoop provided better airflow than the under-bumper scoops used in '68. Specific 15" chrome wheels with Goodyear Polyglas GT tires put 7 inches of tire to the pavement. Motor Trend magazine dubbed the '69 "The Hairiest Oldsmobile". Mechanically, it shared the '68s drivetrain, except the 380-horse engine was the only engine available. High 13 second times in showroom trim were possible, and slicks and headers could get the car into the 12s. Just about every convenience option that was available on the 442 was available on the H/O, giving the owner a range of equipment and luxury options not generally found on musclecars of the era. Two convertibles and 906 hardtops were built. Fast and flashy, the '69 has the highest profile of all the H/Os.

1972:
In 1971, a local Dodge dealer wrecked the Indy 500 pace car coming into the pits after the pace lap. Because of that, manufacturers were reluctant to participate in the Indy pace car program for 1972. Hurst stepped forward with the '72 H/O, and the Hurst/Olds became an Indy pace car for the first time. The '70s were a time of change, and the H/O reflected the times, becoming more luxurious and less powerful. The Cutlass Supreme hardtop or convertible were used for the basic platforms, but a 455 engine was still specified, along with the W25 fiberglass hood and Dual Gate shifter. Cameo white was again the only color choice, but the gold paint was replaced with reflective gold decals that really lit up at night. Hardtop versions came with a unique padded vinyl roof, and a power sunroof was an option. There were even a few Vista Cruiser station wagons made up in pace car trim for use by the medical staff at the track. The '72 is the lowest producion of all H/Os, with 130 convertibles, 499 hardtops, and 220 sunroof-equipped hardtops built, for a total production run of 629.

1973:
GM's intermediates had new sheet metal for '73, and the H/O took advantage of the new fluid lines beautifully. For the first time, two colors were offered, Cameo white and Ebony black, both with gold accents. An even more heavily-padded vinyl roof was part of the package, which made the quarter windows smaller for a striking effect. Rather large chrome exhaust tips exited under the rear bumper, and BF Goodrich's new Radial T/A tires were used. The big 455 mill was still offered, in two states of tune, depending on whether air conditioning was ordered. Even though emissions regulations and fuel economy concerns were wreaking havoc with musclecars, the H/O still packed a respectable punch. The 455 still put out enough torque to lead a magazine tester of the time to call it "The H/O Locomotive". Still an exclusive vehicle, only 1097 were produced.

1974:
Olds returned to the Brickyard again in 1974, for the third time in five years. And for the second time in three years as a Hurst/Olds. For the first time, a 350 V8 could be ordered, and was mandatory for California-bound cars. The 455 was still available, but emissions and fuel economy concerns were taking their toll. White and black were again the two color choices, and a roof band split the vinyl top in two at the B pillar to simulate the targa top on the actual pace car. Production was up some, with 1800 being produced. But, in a unique one-time deviation, there were also approximately 100 H/O conversions done on 1974 Delta 88 convertibles. They were all basically stock cars with white paint and H/O trim, but they are a striking vehicle and quite rare today. In addition, Speedway owner Tony Hulman requested a specially modified Cutlass Salon sedan for his own personal use, and it was built by Oldsmobile, but appeared at the track with H/O graphics applied. 1974 was indeed an unusual year for H/O watchers.

1975:
T-tops were the coming thing in the mid-70s and the H/O's Hurst Hatches marked one of the first uses of T-tops on a production car. Convertible A-bodies disappeared in '73, and the T-tops were the next best thing. White and black again were offered, but for the first time, vinyl roofs could be mixed or matched, depending on the customer's preference. A white roof could be ordered on a black car, and vice versa. Both 350 and 455 cubic inch V8s were offered, and in a sign of the times, more 350s were sold than 455s. Suspension and tire technology were improving, and the '75 H/O provided a good balance between ride and handling. This year also marked another increase in sales, with 2535 units produced.

1979:
After a 3 year hiatus, the H/O returned in '79 on GM's newly downsized Cutlass body. The first H/O to be built entirely by Oldsmobile Division, it was also the first H/O that did not offer a 455 engine. But it was the only GM A-body to offer a 350 V8 in '79. White and black again were the color choices, but with a wider choice of interior trims than ever before. Gold paint covered the hood, most of the top, and the very rear of the trunk. The aluminum wheels were also painted gold, along with the grille. At $2054 for the conversion, it was the most expensive H/O ever, but even so, sales held steady at 2499 units.

1983 & 1984:
Once again, 3 years passed before the introduction of the next H/O. For it's 15th Anniversary Edition, the '83 H/O came only in black with silver rocker panels. Chrome 15" wheels fitted Goodyear GT tires, and a power bulge hood and rear spoiler gave the car a purposeful look. A modified version of Oldsmobile's 307 CID V8 was installed, along with 3.73 gears and Hurst's radical Lightning Rods shifter. Dual exhausts with rumbling mufflers meant there was no mistaking the H/O for a garden variety Cutlass. A new style "Hurst/Olds" emblem was introduced, and red and silver stripes separated the black and silver paint. Demand for the car was very strong. Originally, 2500 units were scheduled to be produced, but Olds had to up that number to 3000 because of high demand. That may have been a factor in bringing the H/O back for '84. The paint scheme was reversed, with silver being the main body color, and black on the rocker panels. In every other respect, the '84 was identical to the '83.

1988:
The Hurst/Olds story took an unusual twist in '88. To commemorate the 20th anniversary of the Hurst/Olds, four 1988 H/Os were built on the last rear wheel drive Cutlass platform. The four actual H/Os were built by Doc Watson, and each was unique, to suit the personality of it's owner. Then, the aero kits that were used in the conversion were made available to the general public. These kits consisted of fiberglass ground effects packages that could be installed on any '81 - '88 Cutlass. However, only the kits that were installed on 1988 models were permitted to be badged as a 20th anniversary Hurst/Olds. Kits installed on prior year vehicles are called Hurst/Aero cars. The number of kits produced is not known, but is thought to be low enough to make it one of the rarest of all the H/Os.

There were 10 years that H/Os were built out of 21, from 1968 thru 1988. During those 9 production runs, less than 16,000 total cars were built. Compare that to 30,000 442s built in a single model year, and you will see that the Hurst/Olds is a rare car indeed. Their unique history and combination of luxury and performance make them a topic of conversation wherever they go. For better or for worse, it is not likely that we will see a new Hurst/Olds ever again.

[Madd Syntst]

So, Kev....got alot of time on your hands while the shoulder heals? Great tech. Very informative, and you did it with Linda Vaughn!

[jwart]

didn't i hear when i was a kid (long time ago) never cry wolf & don't be bragadocio. don' t think i'll lose any sleep over how well his life is going, nor do i care what his taste is in wine, women, or windup toys. glad he has the toys he likes, i like most of them too, but don't need anyones approval for mine. whads with all the worrywarts. just like belly bottons everyone is checking out the one sunbathing on the t- top across the street. thad's all you'll get from me. jwart

[bonuts]

There is a guy in my hometown who's got a '83 Hurst Olds I believe and its got factory lightning rods, under 40,000km and he wanted $5000 CDN for it two summers ago. I nearly bought it but I was laid off and just couldn't justify going totally broke for it. He still has the car and I think he would still sell it, but I'd likely have to pay a bit more, I love that car.


bonuts