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Old 05-02-2007, 08:28 AM
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Red Candy over Black Base

Who has done it?
Will it give you any glint of red in the sun.
The plan is (maybe) a black base, some sort of silver flame, them red candy.
I've tried some red pearl in the base but the black just didn't look black enough for my liking.
I really just want black with a hint of red in the sun.
Any suggestions on else to get this look?

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Candy red over black will give you the look you're after. It will apear black but you will see a hint of red.
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Who has done it?
Will it give you any glint of red in the sun.
The plan is (maybe) a black base, some sort of silver flame, them red candy.
I've tried some red pearl in the base but the black just didn't look black enough for my liking.
I really just want black with a hint of red in the sun.
Any suggestions on else to get this look?
The color is called "Black cherry" and has been popular for years. Get a HOK chip book and you will see it.

Of course the amount of coats of the candy is going to change your final color quite a bit. Do a let down panel where you see what it looks like with two, three, and four coats. Pick the one you like and apply it that way.

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I was under the impression he wanted something much darker than black cherry.
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Who has done it?
Will it give you any glint of red in the sun.
The plan is (maybe) a black base, some sort of silver flame, them red candy.
I've tried some red pearl in the base but the black just didn't look black enough for my liking.
I really just want black with a hint of red in the sun.
Any suggestions on else to get this look?
Candy red over a metallic black will provide a sparkle of red with black behind it.

Bogie

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Or black with pearl over it then the red candy will give the now you see it now you don't effect.
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I suppose your doing the silver flame/s last or taping it/them out before the kandy?
Pagan Gold kandy is another cool one on top of black. Very cool.
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My first attempt was a black base, then 50-50% black and clear with a red pearl.
I then shot some gold pearl flame and red candy over everything.
It's going onto a restored 82 650 Maxim Yamaha.(originally black)
The frame, and calve covers are black, with black on the rims etc.
The color was just not dark enough along side the rest of the black.
I want to give it some bling without an over powering color.
If that makes any sense to anyone.
Some personal value, my first bike bought new in 82.
Something like this without the skulls.
http://customflamepainting.com/cgi-b...uery=retrieval
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I'm looking for something like this without the skulls.
http://customflamepainting.com/cgi-b...uery=retrieval
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Something like this. Instead of skulls, just a fade.
http://customflamepainting.com/cgi-b...uery=retrieval

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The first try was black base then a 50-50 mix of black and clear with red pearl.
Gold pearl flame and candy red over all.
It looked like black cherry but after setting it on the bike, I didn't like it.
The bike is a restored 650 Maxim Yamaha.
Personal value, My first big bike bought new in 82.
The bike was originally black and has black on the rims, valve covers, frame, etc.
I want to give it some bling without changing the look too much.
If it were a custom then the color would have been OK.
Make sense to anyone??
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That is a white under paint on the graphics. Then the kandy on top.
The silver would be way to obvious and end up like a standard kandy job look on them. Keith a good friend had his PPG jobber cook up a black kandy and it's shot over an American flag motif.Many ways to pull off a "black" appearing job and when the light hits it,Magic.... Just up to your imagination and skills,
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that is PPG's Radiance II black. I told them to mix it with the same amounts to make a dark color burgundy but replace everything with black toner.
Keith is a VERY talented and creative guy and EXTREMELY modest. A true talent.

mrcleaner6 is a member here who has some exceptional work.
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I have to agree.
That's a really nice effect.
I've never seen a ghost flag before.

After looking at the tank I linked to, it does look white
under the candy.
I'm starting to think picking the colors is as hard as spraying them.
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thats real sweet flag!!! he did a killer job on that.
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I've been trying to "convert" him over to SPI but he's got a good PPG connection and I guess he's afraid to come over to our dark side. LOL..
He's been using the ETECH paint for his AB work lately and he says it's just awsome. WAY better than AA and I have serious intentions of trying it out myself.
You 2 have been MY best advisors. Jim has got me lined out on a LOT of custom stuff,concepts as well as cooking up combinations for trouble bleeding kandys,HOK issues with their products and Keith has been the "impossiable" guy. You dream it up and he can come up with a plan.
Underpainting is the base of custom painting. Simple but yet hard. You basically have to reverse paint the project and an understanding of "what" the color will look like under what you spray over it along with the color shift of applying 1 color over another will give you. White is a good base for art work and as you saw,a full blown graphic can be achieveble with the right top coat. Expermentation with YOUR ideas on some cheap license blanks or scrap sheet metal will give you the practice needed to create something special. Once you grasp this,it's up to your imagination.
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