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Old 03-12-2011, 10:52 AM
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Reproduction VIN Tags

First off let me say that I am well aware of the illegality of swapping VINs, buying used titles and VIN plates with the intent of using them on another vehicle, etc etc.

Here is my situation. I bought a 37 Dodge Pickup several years ago that had been registered in AZ for many many years. It had a clear title, but no VIN tag that I could locate. I transferred the title into my name with no problem figuring that I would locate either the VIN tag in the pile of parts or the VIN stamped into the frame.

Well, I never did find the original VIN Tag but I finally found the frame VIN and sure enough it didnít match the title. I went thru Arizonaís 7 levels of hell (known as DMV) to get the title corrected....level 3 inspection, NCIC check and title search. During the title search they found the transfer that result in the VIN discrepancy. Long story short I went thru the proper steps to get a clear, legal title for the truck.

Not that it probably makes any difference, but the original VIN tag is only secured with screws on these vehicles and any vehicle inspection SHOULD include verification of the stamped frame number.

So the truck is legal (and legally mine) as is. My question is...in this instance is it legal to have a reproduction VIN tag produced with the correct information to replace the missing one?

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if it's legal and verifyied I don't see an issue in that. blank reproduction vin tags are on Ebay from time to time. I seem to remember seeing some Dodge pickup 1's..
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I would run this by the AZ DMV and do what they say needs to be done to re-VIN your truck.
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I would run this by the AZ DMV and do what they say needs to be done to re-VIN your truck.
I second that. The inspectors are not out to make life difficult for the little guy (although the rules may often be stupid) but they're out to catch major crooks who either re-title stolen cars for a living or try to pass off clones for the more expensive "real' thing. I've gotten some great advice from the local state police (who do this where I live) and always appreciate me asking before I do something; it makes everything proceed easier.

That does not discount that there are some butthead officers out there. If that guy is being a jerk, then document your problems and talk to his supervisor (and your local state representative - that can be surprisingly helpful).

I've had the local guy certify a repro VIN plate for one of my cars because I involved him from the beginning. It was as easy as asking and filing out the form.
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I was looking at a parts car that was on a catch all consignment lot. The Vin plate had been removed, but it did not matter to me since it was going to be a parts vehicle and a bill of sale would have been fine. When I inquired about the price, it was about 5 times the worth so I asked if he realized the Vin tag was missing. He pleaded ignorance but immediately cut the asking price in half. As the conversation continued, he revealed he had worked for DMV for 11 years and was fully aware of the legal requirements for registering vehicles in general and street rods in particular. He is still trying to peddle the junk for potential rat rod price.

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Here they issue a new vin for the vehicle once you jump through the hoops.

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Here they issue a new vin for the vehicle once you jump through the hoops.

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In VA, you can get a new VIN from the DMV or they will register an existing VIN plate if the number is available. My inspector offered to let me use an antique VIN from a real 1936 Auburn speedster on a fiberglass speedster body because "Nobody would think this is a real Auburn, so there's no danger of fraud." While I agreed and it would have been cool, I opted for a new VIN plate because I felt that even while obvious, it would be unethical and could be abused by somebody down the line.

In VA, they will title a specialty constructed or reproduction vehicle as the year and make of the vehicle it is intended to resemble, but make a notation on the title that makes it ineligible forever for antique plates.
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I second that. The inspectors are not out to make life difficult for the little guy (although the rules may often be stupid) but they're out to catch major crooks who either re-title stolen cars for a living or try to pass off clones for the more expensive "real' thing. I've gotten some great advice from the local state police (who do this where I live) and always appreciate me asking before I do something; it makes everything proceed easier.

That does not discount that there are some butthead officers out there. If that guy is being a jerk, then document your problems and talk to his supervisor (and your local state representative - that can be surprisingly helpful).

I've had the local guy certify a repro VIN plate for one of my cars because I involved him from the beginning. It was as easy as asking and filing out the form.
Great advice here and from blown6t6. be square with the guys from DMV. if they realize you're not trying to pull a fast one, they'll treat you right.
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