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Old 07-01-2009, 11:06 AM
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I quickly took a few shots of mine that might give you a few ideas. I think this is what Houston was thinking about.

Notice I have curved both sides of the hood and put a peak in the middle. There is also a curve front to back that is barely noticeable. To give you an idea of the total length the stainless steel hinge that connects the two sides of the hood is 48 inches long. Both sides of the hood and hinge are removable to give good access to the engine bay by undoing one bolt at the front of the hinge.
It looks like my current cowl shape is close to yours.

Where did you get the BEEFY hinge?

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It looks like my current cowl shape is close to yours.

Where did you get the BEEFY hinge?
http://www.mcmaster.com/#

stainless, pin size - 1/4" , knuckle length 1".

Lots of different sizes available.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:54 PM
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Hell you are doing great on your own. Don't listen to anything I say.

Looking forward to more.

I appreciate the ideas and comments. It is hard to find anybody local that I can carry on an actual conversation with about this car. I loose most people with "I cut the roof off of a 1954 Cadillac to build a.....".

"I cut up a 1960 Jaguar..." goes over really well too.

Even die hard car people have problems with not starting with the cowl off of a real car....or a "real frame"

Dad likes what I have done so far, but doesn't make suggestions for the next step. ...and the wife could care less.
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Old 07-02-2009, 10:55 AM
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Here are a couple more pics that show the overall shape of the body a little better.





I gotta spend a day cleaning up, the shop looks BAD in pics.
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Old 07-05-2009, 11:43 AM
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All of the sudden, I think rounded cowl and hood tops may be the way to go.

I don't know exactly what this car is, but I love it.

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Old 07-05-2009, 12:11 PM
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Maybe an early Buggati..kinda looks that way..
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All of the sudden, I think rounded cowl and hood tops may be the way to go.

I don't know exactly what this car is, but I love it.

If you like that, check this page out - It is one of my favourite sites on the web.

http://www.milleroffy.com/Photo%20&%...ery.htm#Photos
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HI Flipper 38......

Hi,theres only one rule that applies when you clean up your garage,anything that you put away today,you will need tommorrow,and you will have to go on a long search for it.because you wont remember where you put it !!!
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Hi,theres only one rule that applies when you clean up your garage,anything that you put away today,you will need tommorrow,and you will have to go on a long search for it.because you wont remember where you put it !!!
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Hi,theres only one rule that applies when you clean up your garage,anything that you put away today,you will need tommorrow,and you will have to go on a long search for it.because you wont remember where you put it !!!

Yep, there are pieces and parts hidden in firetrucks from the last time the shop was cleaned up. The problem is that dad put them there. I don't have a clue which cubby-hole stuff ended up in.

GM stuff is in one, european stuff in one, toyota stuff in one and I don't remember what kind of stuff is in the 38...maybe more GM.

But looking for a single part can be a nightmare.
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Old 07-07-2009, 10:12 AM
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When I clean up.. I usually fine all the things I have been looking for..And some I didn't think I had...

Your doing a great job!!!!! Keep it up..
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Old 07-08-2009, 08:52 AM
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It is hard to find anybody local that I can carry on an actual conversation with about this car..... Even die hard car people have problems with not starting with the cowl off of a real car....or a "real frame"
Judging by the number of "looks" this thread has gotten, it appears LOTS of folks are interested in carrying on a conversation about your project. So you are in the right place. And guys like Scrim and New Interiors, with their scratch building experience, can be invaluable when you run into problems or roadblocks. (BTW Scrim, GREAT fitment work on the hood and side panels meeting the grill shell in the pictures above.)

And Flipper is right about even hard core rodders expressing disbelief that a body can actually be built from a pile of rubble. I think a part of that has to do with the long standing misconception that metal fabrication is a mysterious and exotic art form that requires hugely expensive tools and years of training and skills. While there is no doubt that good metal fabricators are in a category all their own, I am convinced that the average hot rodder, using some very basic tools and a little ingenuity, can create a perfectly respectable looking body. And do it within a reasonable period of time and with a reasonable impact on their checkbook.

It may not win a Riddler Award. And if may not even take home a trophy from their little local car show. But it can be a fun, safe, eye catching hoot to own and drive.

And the more examples we have of body fabrication (like this very thread), the more we will see other hot rodders pick up a hammer to take a shot at it themselves. And the more rodders we have experimenting with body fabrication, the more great creations we are going to see emerge.

You will probably never know the exact number of rodders you have influenced and encouraged just by posting up this thread and showing us the real nitty gritty of your work. A dozen. Two dozen. Perhaps even 30 or 40 over time. But just imagine each of them now fabricating the dream car that has been bouncing around in THEIR head. And then THAT car being seen by another 30 or 40 who might pick up the hammer themselves. And on and on it goes.

So keep up your efforts. You're in the right place.
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Thanks cboy, I know I don’t have to tell you how long that took me and how many tools went flying across the garage in the process! I never would of thought something that looked so straightforward could be so time consuming.

I regret not reading up about how that should be done (if there is such info out there, Ron Covell might be able to help you but for me I wasn't able to find anything about FG hoods)) as it probably cost me a lot of wasted time so for flipper’s sake will write about how I would do it next time. I have no idea if this is the ‘right’ way to do it, I only know it would be better than my first muddled attempt. Hope you can make sense of it all and use some of the info. I wrote this to go in my journal so won’t be offended if you think it’s wrong. You probably know a lot more about this than I do so if you have another way I would be interested in reading about it.

I will write it as I constructed it i.e. using 2 separate pieces and fitting them separately. I know it seems more sensible to make the hood out of 1 piece then cut them out later. The hoods I have seen built in the 20’s and 30’s I do not think were made from one piece (they might even of been made from 4 pieces) – I do not know why, maybe they were too big and unwieldy. Maybe someone else reading this can add something.

First thing is to fix solidly in place the cowl and grill shell so it will never move and resign yourself to not moving it again. I say this because I thought it would be ‘clever’ if I kept the grill movable so I could keep my options open and move the grill to match the hood if necessary. This was a big mistake as there is no way you can move the grill to match the one side without it affecting the other or the top and I ended up chasing my tail for days. Mark out where the hinge will run and the cuts for the side panels on both the shell and the cowl once they are fixed in place and never waver from these points!


Then do the side pieces – make sure you leave enough material so the top edges where the hinge will run overlap each other. Once you have the rough curves done on your pieces then match the cowl curve and the grill shell curve at the same time – back and forth, back and forth a little cut at a time – this was the hardest part for me. My bends where already fixed in the piece but I am assuming you will be bending your panel and fitting it at the same time. You might find it easier (hah!) as mine was fiberglass and the curve is fixed at whatever I made the mold at, you will have some room for maneuver with metal. As I said make sure you make the long edge where you will be putting the center hinge at least an inch wider on both panels so both top pieces overlap each other past the point where the hinge will be going. You might also think about doing this on the very bottom of the panel.

Once you have the front and back curved edges fitting to your satisfaction on the cowl and grill shell make sure everything is clamped tight and make your long cuts (I used a jigsaw with a guide) cutting the overlapped edges at the same time, this ensures a nice straight cut on both sides that will match exactly. I wasn’t worried about the gap the cut produced as the hinge fits it nicely.

Or you could scribe a line and bend your overlapped edges at a 90 degree angle to itself as a place to put the hinge, this will also considerably stiffen the whole panel. This is how the original hand-made hoods that I have seen were done.

Leaving the overlaps on the panels frees you from thinking about the top and bottom edges so you can concentrate on the front and back curves, and then enables you to match the edges exactly once everything else is done.

Pretty straight forward right
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Or you could scribe a line and bend your overlapped edges at a 90 degree angle to itself as a place to put the hinge, this will also considerably stiffen the whole panel. This is how the original hand-made hoods that I have seen were done.
That is also a neat way to hide the fasteners that attach the hinge to the hood panels. Thanks for the idea.
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:13 PM
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1956 Bentleys used 1' square tubing to attach the hinge to, they also had 1 bolt holding the front down. The rear was held down by pulling 2 levers inside of the car, to a latch bracket on the lower sides of the hood.

When my hands are cleaner, I will look through a signed hard copy book, about vintage racing, that was given to me. 'Circle Of Impact' about Bob McCoy. I also think that is a old Bugatti, but I will see if I can verify it.

Flipper Awesome build with great picks, and documentary. Keep it coming.
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