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I just got off the phone with Shell. Sounded like the guys face was covered in pillow, but what I could make out was that all Rotella multi-grade oils still have 1200 PPM Zinc and 800 PPM of Phosphorus. I talked to a tech guy at my nearest GM dealer and he was fairly adamant that EOS fluid did not have any ZDDP anymore. Whether he was correct or not I do not know. I called Valvoline also. Their VR-1 oil has 1300 PPM zinc and 1200 PPM of the phosphorus. The not street legal oil runs 1400 PPM and 1300 phosphorus. Called Edelbrock about their ZDDP additive, but their system is down. Anyway, I thought I'd share this info.
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Before you purchase any Shell products, you might want to read or at least research this book.... and Shell's role in supplying North Vietnam oil during the Viet Nam war. One has to wonder how many of our soldiers, sailors, and airmen were killed because of what Shell did to aid and comfort the enemy.

The book is for real and I have personal knowledge that its claims are true. Shell did provide oil to North Vietnam during the war.... and Air Force and Navy pilots were specifically briefed NOT to bomb, strafe, or attack in any way the Shell oil tank cars in the Hanoi railroad yards.



This is the story of the role of oil in the Vietnam war. Revealed here for the first time is the way American oil suppliers also ended up fuelling the communist armies--under the blind eye of Shell--with shipments flowing through indirect channels.

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I just got off the phone with Shell. Sounded like the guys face was covered in pillow, but what I could make out was that all Rotella multi-grade oils still have 1200 PPM Zinc and 800 PPM of Phosphorus. I talked to a tech guy at my nearest GM dealer and he was fairly adamant that EOS fluid did not have any ZDDP anymore. Whether he was correct or not I do not know. I called Valvoline also. Their VR-1 oil has 1300 PPM zinc and 1200 PPM of the phosphorus. The not street legal oil runs 1400 PPM and 1300 phosphorus. Called Edelbrock about their ZDDP additive, but their system is down. Anyway, I thought I'd share this info.
Your GM dealer is right zddp level is way down!! (never call the producers of a product to get info) they LIE (they wont tell you their oil is low in zddp they'd get fired) !!!GM has a zddp additive they use on older cars when they change oil. If your dealers up on current practice you can buy the additive over the parts counter Or a good choice in a pinch is stp oil treatment Zddp content is high the red container for 4 cylinders has more zddp then the blue It takes 2 blue for a 5 qt system 1 red. Im not pushing any product or suggesting you do this there are a lot of good web sites on this problem but make sure they are up to date,becouse more and more oils are added to the list every day!! Porshia air cooled engines were dieing because of this, and Porshia had some good info at one time. Call a cam company like crane or Iski etc. talk to a teck they had a problem with low zddp and not just at break in. Dont ask this on a web site like this you get too many answers and arguments it will confuse you even more!! Call mopar performance, or GM performance any one selling engines with flat tappet cams they can give you good recommendations!!!

If I mention an oil on here and say it has no or low ZDDP in it Ill have 50 people that use it climb down my throat

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Before you purchase any Shell products, you might want to read or at least research this book.... and Shell's role in supplying North Vietnam oil during the Viet Nam war. One has to wonder how many of our soldiers, sailors, and airmen were killed because of what Shell did to aid and comfort the enemy.

The book is for real and I have personal knowledge that its claims are true. Shell did provide oil to North Vietnam during the war.... and Air Force and Navy pilots were specifically briefed NOT to bomb, strafe, or attack in any way the Shell oil tank cars in the Hanoi railroad yards.



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Im an ex combat vet served in French Indo China it was later called South Vietnam When the french left! But many American companies delt with N.Nam some knowing and some not knowing! because they dealt with countries that backed the north and their products were shipped there!

I didnt read the book but I believe it!!

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Before you purchase any Shell products, you might want to read or at least research this book.... and Shell's role in supplying North Vietnam oil during the Viet Nam war. One has to wonder how many of our soldiers, sailors, and airmen were killed because of what Shell did to aid and comfort the enemy.

The book is for real and I have personal knowledge that its claims are true. Shell did provide oil to North Vietnam during the war.... and Air Force and Navy pilots were specifically briefed NOT to bomb, strafe, or attack in any way the Shell oil tank cars in the Hanoi railroad yards.



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Shell was the main supplier, but there were other oil companies that sold to N. Vietnam also, with Shell's help.
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Wonder about the GM EOS, got a sheet for that? Use that product all the time.

Also you figure rotella 15W40 is good/same?

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the shell guy said that all multi grade Rotella has the same amount of ZDDP. The tech at the dealership thought that putting ZDDP in EOS was illegal. Basically, he thought that they changed EOS when they brought it back to the market. However, he was not an official rep, he was just some dude that has been ASE certified to turn a wrench at the dealer. Not a chemist. In my mind the search to find out how much ZDDP is in EOS is ongoing.
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Why screw around when you can buy Brad Penn, Comp Cams, Royal Purple, Amsoil, and other oil companies that specifically market oils with the proper ZDDP amounts for flat tappet cams? Rotella is going down in levels due to the use of cats on diesels.
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