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Old 01-28-2004, 01:53 PM
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Safety with a single stage paint

A friend of mine was telling me that in a base/clear job the hardner in the clear is what is really toxic. So in a single stage paint i would assume that the hardner would be as bad.

Are single stage paints as bad for your health as a base/clear?

Also what kind of safety can you use to keep your lungs out of trouble.

I may only paint 1-2 cars in my lifetime, but it's not worth dying over if i get to enjoy it and decide to do it more often.

i have something such as this but wondering if there is something better to protect my lungs.

any tips as to how to paint safer?

the paint I am painting my first car with will be Enamel so any info regarding how to shoot it safely would be wonderful

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Any paint that contains iso's is dangerous. That pretty much means if it has a hardener it probably has iso's. The best way to protect yourself if you're painting at home would be with a HobbyAir pressure breathing system. They run about $300 but will supply you with fresh pressurized air to breath while spraying. The mask you linked to would be OK for enamels and most primers but may not do the task for an iso paint.

It's not a done deal that painting one or two cars will kill you or even damage your lungs but the safe bet, if you can't afford a pressure fresh air system, would be to buy the very best mask you can and try not to spend more time in the spray booth than you have to.

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A rated respirator with new organic vapor cartridges, or a forced air breathing system are a must. Don't forget to protect bare skin also. Wear vinyl gloves, long sleeve shirt or disposable painters coveralls. Isocyantes will absorb through bare skin. You should not be afraid to use the paint, but educate yourself on it's hazards, prepare for it and you will be fine.

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The best way to protect yourself if you're painting at home would be with a HobbyAir pressure breathing system. They run about $300 but will supply you with fresh pressurized air to breath while spraying.
thanks for the info centerline and vince

i had looked at those air systems before, and they looked like a pretty good setup. I wondered if it would be possible to build one?? i mean all it is is an air pump/fan with a filter that sucks air from outside the paint area, and then the mask has a valve system on it so you can only suck air from the hose.....hmmm

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Most breathing air systems that I have seen also have a carbon monoxide detector, humidifier, and oil seperator.

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I actually seen some place on the web where somebody had made a fresh air supply. Don't remember the details or if it would work, just remember seeing it. If I ever dig it up I'll post it here.
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dubz-Don't even consider using air from your compressor unless you buy an approved device built for that purpose. I know someone who built a respirator that uses his compressor air but I would'nt use that thing on a dare! I tried to explain about carbon monoxide,oil and all the other garbage that he is breathing but he won't listen. I know you did'nt even mention using compressor air but I thought it a good idea to bring it up anyway just in case someone was thinking along those lines. It really gets my attention when someone asks about paint safety as I had a VERY bad experience with iso's a few years back. Don't take ANY chances as even once or twice CAN get to you(I only painted two). If you use your cartridge respirator be sure and use fresh filters since they become useless after about 8 hours after opening the package. If anyone thinks it is ok to use compressor air they need to take a look at the crud that comes out the drain valve. Work safe and have fun.
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If anyone thinks it is ok to use compressor air they need to take a look at the crud that comes out the drain valve. Work safe and have fun.
Excellent advice and right on the money.

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thanks oldred, yah i wasn't thinking of using compressor air, as i have seen what comes out of my compressor and it's not anything i'd want to be breathing.....i was thinking more of something like a good sized tube that i would run out of the work area (probably to outside) and attach it to my half mask so i could only suck in from the tube and then blow out through the valve at the bottom, so fresh air will get sucked through the tube.

maybe run a fan or something to gently push air into the hose or something....??

dunno, have to check and see what works
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