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Old 02-23-2007, 06:54 AM
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Satin Clear Graphics

I am working on a project where the customer requested graphics painted on the car in satin clear. So here's the layout. The car is going to be black with a blue pearl but he wants the graphics (stripes) to have the same color but with a satin finish. At first this seemed like a simple request. That was until I told my painter. He suggested that I try to convince the customer just to do regular ghost graphics buried in an all gloss clear instead. Is it really hard to do grapics using flattened clear coat? Can someone suggest how I could accomplish this?

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If he want the same color for the stripes but in a satin clear this is an eay project. Paint the complete car, mask for the stipes and shoot 1 or 2 coats of satin clear on and you're done.

The only drawback is you can't fix any defects by buffing with the satin clear-what you spray is what you get. And there will be tape lines so keep it thin. Also you'll want to do any sanding and buffing before you shoot the satin-just mask, scuff, and shoot.
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I was told that you can't shoot the satin clear on top of the regular clear. Also wouldn't you mess up the tape lines if you mask off the stripes then scuff?
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I am working on a project where the customer requested graphics painted on the car in satin clear. So here's the layout. The car is going to be black with a blue pearl but he wants the graphics (stripes) to have the same color but with a satin finish. At first this seemed like a simple request. That was until I told my painter. He suggested that I try to convince the customer just to do regular ghost graphics buried in an all gloss clear instead. Is it really hard to do grapics using flattened clear coat? Can someone suggest how I could accomplish this?
There would be no way to do this and have a "no-tape line" effect. I would opt to do this type of graphics backwards...meaning paint and clearcoat the car first and do the graphics second - keeping in mind not adding any more material than needed to cover.

Normally you would do the graphics areas first, mask and CC the rest (I always double coat the tape edges first before putting on the full coat so I can wetsand them flush later)

If the customer doesn't care about having a tape line, another alternative (don't know what style of graphics you are talking) would be to use vinyl stickers...I had some 30 ft 6" wide custom stripes and lettering made for my truck for around 100.00 in a satin finish. They've been on there for 4 years and no peeling or fading...
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Yeah, the tape line is not an issue because the graphics were originally supposed to be vinyl. The problem was that the clear vinyl sticker looks white on a black based car. The effect he's looking for is a to have the whole car black with a blue pearl, and satin finish graphics of the same color. I thought that we could just shoot the base, then shoot the clear, let it dry, then shoot the graphics last. Many painters, including the guys at my supply shop tell me that you can only shoot a new clear on top of an intercoat clear.

I'm confused.
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Shoot the whole car and buff, mask off for the graphics, scuff and shoot your satin clear-it will work just fine-guaranteed.
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If you don't believe me do a test panel.
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I'll do a few test panels and post pictures when we finish. Thanks for the help!
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just as bob said. do all your buffing first then mask the graphics, scotchbrite the masked area or should i say unmasked area then shoot your flattened clear. believe me clear gets shot ontop of clear everyday. every job that i do has clear over clear. sometimes they will go through 4 different clear sessions. to keep the paint edge to a minimum use a low or mid solids clear. or you can slightly overreduce your clear. be sure to shoot those test panels to get the matte clear the right flattness you want.
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