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Old 02-05-2007, 07:51 PM
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I also just got a GREAT idea. I know a guy that is selling some aussie OHC I6 engines. They are complete fan to tailshaft on the tranny, fuel injected, with computer. They have a huge power potential, as well. It would be a GREAT lookin' engine in a custom ride. He's practically giving them away (well he's giving one to me for free, and I'd definitely be willing to deal with ya if you wanna do it that way.)
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I also just got a GREAT idea. I know a guy that is selling some aussie OHC I6 engines. They are complete fan to tailshaft on the tranny, fuel injected, with computer. They have a huge power potential, as well. It would be a GREAT lookin' engine in a custom ride. He's practically giving them away (well he's giving one to me for free, and I'd definitely be willing to deal with ya if you wanna do it that way.)
what would you sell&ship an engine for?

an engine is an engine..it can be put in bout anything with some welding

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Unless I missed something I keep reading that the SBF is narrower than the SBC. True, and the 221-302 is an 1 1/2 narrower than the W.

As for the power difference mentioned, a 350 better make more power than a 302.
Head for head, the Ford W and 350 SBC run neck and neck in power.
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Unless I missed something I keep reading that the SBF is narrower than the SBC. True, and the 221-302 is an 1 1/2 narrower than the W.

As for the power difference mentioned, a 350 better make more power than a 302.
Head for head, the Ford W and 350 SBC run neck and neck in power.
xntirk - I think you had a bad day and I have to pick on you a bit . SBF 221-351engines were all Windsor (and there are a couple of other Ford 351's not under discussion) The 221 thru 302W are the same width at 18.75", the 351W is 21". Ref: the Ford Performance Catalog.

Iron head for iron head, the standard 350 Chevy is a better breathing head. There are a couple of exceptions - the iron GT40s are very good, and the aluminum GT40s are superior.

The run of the mill stock 350 Chevy will make more horsepower than the same run of the mill stock SBF 302. The extra SBC 48 cubic inches will always make the difference. in torque as well as horsepower.

IMHO - Unless you feel the need to be different, I cannot fathom why someone would consider a 250 - 300cid I6. Performance parts are expensive when you can find them, they are fairly long and weigh a fair amount. They do seem to run forever - I had one in a Granada that I used for my weekly 900 mile round trip for work and finally sold with 215K miles.

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xntirk -

I think you had a bad day and I have to pick on you a bit . SBF 221-351engines were all Windsor (and there are a couple of other Ford 351's not under discussion) The 221 thru 302W are the same width at 18.75", the 351W is 21". Ref: the Ford Performance Catalog.


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Bad day?

Don't put words into my mouth, that is not sanitary.

The smaller engines are not that much narrower. The deck height is 1.298 difference, That calculates to about 1 5/8 inches or so.

The W used the same external head dimensions as the 302 and the same valve covers the first few years. (not 221-289)
Other variables are particular to installations.

Are they calculating assembly line exhaust manifolds too?
Are they comparing the 221-289 valve covers to the taller W covers used later?

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QUOTE Head for head, the Ford W and 350 SBC run neck and neck in power.QUOTE

If the SBC 350 and the SBF 351W are equipped with heads of a similar size intake port volume, equal size valves, equal intake and exhaust flow, equal compression, equal inductions, the power is equal.

2 cubic inches difference is not enough to make a difference.

Just stating simple facts.

edited= Just to head this off early...... the W is 352 cubic inches (sort of like calling a Chevy 402 a 396 like GM did)

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Ford did make a early 260-289 block that IS SMALLER ... in the bellhousing area ... 5 bolt bellhousing instead of the later 6 bolt bellhousing. The difference really helps when installing a SBF into a Model T and Model A ... When dealing with a 32 Ford and up Ford chassis ... the room is not as critical ...

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Ford did make a early 260-289 block that IS SMALLER ... in the bellhousing area ... 5 bolt bellhousing instead of the later 6 bolt bellhousing. The difference really helps when installing a SBF into a Model T and Model A ... When dealing with a 32 Ford and up Ford chassis ... the room is not as critical ...

Yes it is 1 inch narrower back there. 1/2 inch radius. 1/2 inch on each side.

I have one block of each right now.

But I don't think that the bellhousing is narrower than the edge of the valve covers.

I built a 5 bolt 289 into a stroker in 99 and made it look like a 221/260.
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But I don't think that the bellhousing is narrower than the edge of the valve covers.
TRUE ...
but it does make installing one into a small vehicle easier ...
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Thanks for all the info guys, it's much appreciated. For those who wondered why I'm considering an inline it's because of clearance problems not because I prefer any particular engine.

In fact I don't really care which engine I use, I want to make the engine fit the body not make the body fit the engine and I would never widen the body because I wanted to fit in a SBC or SBF. That's what different engine configurations are for!
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