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desmosis10 10-03-2012 10:31 PM

SBC 383 stroker opinions & cam Questions???
 
Question?????....I'm getting built a SBC 383 stroker I trying to get between 550HP to 600HP or better to the flywheel, I want to kno if used a custom camshaft. For example a 565/585 lift @.050 duration 244/252 and wanted my RPM range between 2500-6800 or 3000-7000 RPM is it possible to get it with a cam like this with my SET UP below... I am just respectfully asking for some input if you would? Thks Des



I'm new to this, I have been always into muscle car & performance engines. Im getting built a 383 Stroker going with TRW forged pistons .30 over, Forged Scat I Beam rods , 4130 Eagle Crank,World Products Motown Intake Manifolds Part#061040 rpm range 2500-7500 , Airflow Research (AFR) 1103 - AFR 210cc SBC Eliminator Competition Heads. I swapped the solid roller 710lift springs for the 650lift hyd roller springs cause of a hyd roller cam I want to go with...
[B]Compression between 10:5:1 to 10:8:1[/B

The HYD Roller cam I have with this set up now is a Lunati Voodoo cam.... How much Hp could I have with just keeping this cam
•Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 282/290
•Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 231/239
•Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .535/.550
RPM Range 2500-6500
108 Lobe sep

vinniekq2 10-03-2012 10:38 PM

very good heads,the cam might be a little small to make the power you want or it will be on the lower side of your scale,,,
what size headers are you going to use and are you using an 850 holley?

desmosis10 10-03-2012 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinniekq2 (Post 1596008)
very good heads,the cam might be a little small to make the power you want or it will be on the lower side of your scale,,,
what size headers are you going to use and are you using an 850 holley?

I called Aed Peformance Carburetors & Quick Fuel Carburetors..... They keep telling me to go with a 750 carb don't really kno why tho .. It's a STREET/STRIP engine build more on the street tho. I Just want a mean street Machine that have STREETABILITY & and if I can get good Gas mileage that would be a big PLUS too.

The headers I want to go with are Schoenfeld Headers
PART#187 ARE $319.95 1 7/8 Primary & PART# 186V ARE $259.95 goes from 1 3/4 to 1 7/8in Primary and seem to be a very very good deal. VS any other G-body specific long tube like Super Comp or Hedman Husler Hedders that's list for like 500+ dollars

vinniekq2 10-03-2012 10:54 PM

The power figures you are asking for are very close to what my engine makes,this is the basic list of parts Im using,just for comparison,nothing else. I hope it helps:

10;75:1 434 cube,dart block/heads
heads are 227 cc and came cnc ported,then they were cleaned up a little,my camshaft is solid roller 256/264 duration with 108 degrees icl and 108 degrees of lobe separation,installed straight up

.420 lift X 1.5 and 1.6 shaft mounted rockers. victor junior intake with a modified 950 HP. headers are jere. 1 7/8 step headers. my engine makes peak power at 6470 rpm ( on the dyno) revs to 7k with out much power drop but torque goes down

vinniekq2 10-03-2012 11:11 PM

nothing wrong with a 750 for your car or a hydraulic cam.You are asking for 1.5 horse power per cubic inch.I dont see that much. the smaller cam and carb will make it more fun to drive and I guarantee you wont have any gas mileage concerns when you drive it.I go for a drive for a couple hours,including a coffer stop and a couple spirited accelerations and I spend 40 to 50 bucks on fuel.
If you want a daily driver that goes great and is a little better on fuel,copy an LS-3 build as close as you can afford or use a carb and be happy with close to 500 hp?

desmosis10 10-03-2012 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinniekq2 (Post 1596012)
The power figures you are asking for are very close to what my engine makes,this is the basic list of parts Im using,just for comparison,nothing else. I hope it helps:

10;75:1 434 cube,dart block/heads
heads are 227 cc and came cnc ported,then they were cleaned up a little,my camshaft is solid roller 256/264 duration with 108 degrees icl and 108 degrees of lobe separation,installed straight up

.420 lift X 1.5 and 1.6 shaft mounted rockers. victor junior intake with a modified 950 HP. headers are jere. 1 7/8 step headers. my engine makes peak power at 6470 rpm ( on the dyno) revs to 7k with out much power drop but torque goes down

Do u think I should just stay with the cam that i have already/ Cause i want AT THE LEAST CLOSE TO 550HP any thing over that would be a BIG PLUS..
The HYD Roller cam I have with this set up now is a Lunati Voodoo cam....

THIS IS THE HYD ROLLER CAM I HAVE FOR MY 383 STROKER

How much Hp could I have with just keeping this cam???????????
•Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 282/290
•Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 231/239
•Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .535/.550
RPM Range 2500-6500
108 Lobe sep

CNC BLOCKS NE 10-04-2012 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desmosis10 (Post 1596019)
Do u think I should just stay with the cam that i have already/ Cause i want AT THE LEAST CLOSE TO 550HP any thing over that would be a BIG PLUS..
The HYD Roller cam I have with this set up now is a Lunati Voodoo cam....

THIS IS THE HYD ROLLER CAM I HAVE FOR MY 383 STROKER

How much Hp could I have with just keeping this cam???????????
•Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 282/290
•Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 231/239
•Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .535/.550
RPM Range 2500-6500
108 Lobe sep

You don't need that big of split with those heads, using a hyd roller with only .535 lift I don't think you will meet your goal.

desmosis10 10-04-2012 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNC BLOCKS NE (Post 1596041)
You don't need that big of split with those heads, using a hyd roller with only .535 lift I don't think you will meet your goal.

What do u mean by big of a split, explain please. yeah the 535 lift probably is to small but i was think a about going with a custom hyd roller cam For example
565/585lift Duration @.050 244/252
rpm range 2500-6800 or 3000-7000

Could I get close to the HP i'm looking for with a custom HYD ROLLER cam like this????

vinniekq2 10-04-2012 10:44 AM

split duration camshafts "usually" have more duration on the exhaust side.afr have a very good exhaust side for breathing sometimes as high as 80% of the intake side.Cam grinders quite often include 6 or more degrees duration on the exhaust side to make up for standard OEM heads and other heads that have less flow on the exhaust than what is desired.
Instead of looking to squeeze more power out of a 383 why not squeeze more cubic inches into your caR

CNC BLOCKS NE 10-04-2012 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desmosis10 (Post 1596102)
What do u mean by big of a split, explain please. yeah the 535 lift probably is to small but i was think a about going with a custom hyd roller cam For example
565/585lift Duration @.050 244/252
rpm range 2500-6800 or 3000-7000

Could I get close to the HP i'm looking for with a custom HYD ROLLER cam like this????

I don't think you will meet your goal with this cam a solid may get you close.

What are you using for a block and whats been done for machine work??

desmosis10 10-04-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNC BLOCKS NE (Post 1596115)
I don't think you will meet your goal with this cam a solid may get you close.

What are you using for a block and whats been done for machine work??

I'm using a 1974 4 bolt main block.... My block have been hot tanked, bore and hone, deck clean, and on its way to get a line bore for steel billet main caps that's all I no so far is there anything else to do to gain power????

I understand a solid roller cam will get me more hp and torque, But HYD Roller is that way i'm going. I alread paid for everything I can't really turn back now. Maybe I just need a bigger cam with good duration,What do u think??????

desmosis10 10-04-2012 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinniekq2 (Post 1596108)
split duration camshafts "usually" have more duration on the exhaust side.afr have a very good exhaust side for breathing sometimes as high as 80% of the intake side.Cam grinders quite often include 6 or more degrees duration on the exhaust side to make up for standard OEM heads and other heads that have less flow on the exhaust than what is desired.
Instead of looking to squeeze more power out of a 383 why not squeeze more cubic inches into your caR


I appreciate the info, but I already paid for everything to be done to my 383 stroker so I can't turn back now and go with a bigger cubic inch engine, And yes AFR are really good heads and your saying a durtaion of 244/252 is to much of a split, now correct me if i'm wrong but I thought more duration is better especially for some good heads like AFR to get more HP & TQ.

That's what some big performance guys that I talked to told me. They say its not always about the lift its more about the duration that get the HP & TQ.... (In Joe Sherman words)

vinniekq2 10-04-2012 07:07 PM

Lets do some math,first scroll up and look at my parts list.In your opinion are your parts the same as mine?
lets say my engine makes 1.5 hp per cube,I have 50 more cubes so 75 more horse power
and lets give my engine an extra 20 hp for using a solid roller.
you need to take away close to 100 hp from my engine to get what your engine will produce.

It was not me that said your split duration cam is a problem.

ap72 10-04-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desmosis10 (Post 1596004)
Question?????....I'm getting built a SBC 383 stroker I trying to get between 550HP to 600HP or better to the flywheel, I want to kno if used a custom camshaft. For example a 565/585 lift @.050 duration 244/252 and wanted my RPM range between 2500-6800 or 3000-7000 RPM is it possible to get it with a cam like this with my SET UP below... I am just respectfully asking for some input if you would? Thks Des



I'm new to this, I have been always into muscle car & performance engines. Im getting built a 383 Stroker going with TRW forged pistons .30 over, Forged Scat I Beam rods , 4130 Eagle Crank,World Products Motown Intake Manifolds Part#061040 rpm range 2500-7500 , Airflow Research (AFR) 1103 - AFR 210cc SBC Eliminator Competition Heads. I swapped the solid roller 710lift springs for the 650lift hyd roller springs cause of a hyd roller cam I want to go with...
[B]Compression between 10:5:1 to 10:8:1[/B

The HYD Roller cam I have with this set up now is a Lunati Voodoo cam.... How much Hp could I have with just keeping this cam
•Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 282/290
•Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 231/239
•Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .535/.550
RPM Range 2500-6500
108 Lobe sep

can you change your pistons? maybe your rods? There's easy power right there.

desmosis10 10-04-2012 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ap72 (Post 1596215)
can you change your pistons? maybe your rods? There's easy power right there.

ummmmmm maybe not sure what type of Rods & pistons would u recommend... why not keep the ones I have??? There pretty good i believe


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