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Old 06-23-2002, 01:29 PM
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Post sbc in every thing?

now don't get me wrong, i like chevys just fine, most of my vehicals have been chevys.
but why is it that every body uses the small chevy motors? last week i worked on a 1934 ford (i work at a drive line shop) with a chevy 350.
now i don't currently own a muscle anything, and my knowledge of engines is average (never built one, i know i could/ will.)
i have driven some fords and mopars that had all kinds of power. so why the sbc every where?
better design? availability? reliablity?
here i'm asking why sbc and i'm looking at buying 1 of 2 70's gm cars. well,,,, one is an olds.
i am just curious, an i think if i could get a good ansewer as to why, it would be from the guys and girls that know. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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axel,howdy! its kinda economics 101, sbc's reign in that dept.moving on to the next reason, look around !what engine has more parts,upgrades,heads,intakes ,cams,etc.,etc.,?what engine is more readily available at the salvage yard? gm's commitment to making the most profit possible has resulted in a plus for the build'em yourself crowd since the changes were small and spread over a long time interchangeability of parts is high and also means that the aftermarket manufacturers can tool up to produce parts that will sell enough and long enough to recoup thier investment plus profit.sigh!once again it comes down to the dollar.see ya! jimm
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Old 06-23-2002, 02:10 PM
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CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP. Small Blocks 350s 327s etc... Most can be had for $150-$400.They interchange like LEGOs and parts are everywere.
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Old 06-23-2002, 02:19 PM
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seems to me 350's are a dime a dozen, and 327's are hard to find, at least in these parts.
i understand 327's are good motors to have, and somewhat collectable.
yeah, i have noticed all the performance stuff for the sbc, but why is the gm 350 more popular than say a ford 351?
for that matter, why is a 351w not as good as a 351 c? and what is the difference between a 351c nad a 351 m ? 400?
i dunno- i was raised chevy.
i mean why aren't the parts there for the fords and mopars? they seem to be good when done right. i am not sure if i am wording my question properly.
i have allways been a gm guy but since i started working on cars i am non denominational. if you look at my profile, my favorite cars are the fast ones.

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Old 06-23-2002, 05:15 PM
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i love them fords, but i`m green with envy with the easy swap of parts on chebbies! there have been times i think the engineers at ford were hired from an asylum,the crazy changes they made!!! all the chevy guys i know say the same thing,part inter change,easy availibility,reasonable cost. if i had a chevy it more than likely would be a 350,just a little different than all the others though.
fast fords 4 ever!!!
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Old 06-24-2002, 12:14 PM
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ford engineers may be nuts, but at least they knew where to put the g.d. distributor!!!!!!!
351W vs. 351C dunno but heard it's a toss up although i was raised to believe the C was the king. had a 351M and 400M, they are a cross between the W and the C and are piles of crap in my book (had'm both in my 79 bronco.)
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Just to be different I am currently building a 1932 Ford highboy roadster with a different concept..."A Ford in a Ford"! Using a 5.0 ,5 speed with EFI. Its a challenge and I think that`s where the problem lies. It seems that people use the Chev stove because it requires no imagination or thought process for installation. Easy way out equals belly button car.
I have owned Chev all my life and felt that Ford never built them with the General`s motor...so why should I? I even had someone tell me that the Ford powered 32-34 Fords were less valuable or desired than the sbc,and they were less desirable with a manual tranny.
I once heard a saying "You can tell a true hot rodder by the ones who know the ratio in the rear axle" It`s amazing the ones who only know the name of the builder!
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I currently have a sbc in my pro street Gremlin, but Im switching to a Hemi. Chevy small blocks are just so inexpensive and reliable you cant go wrong. I just wanted a Hemi forever, so I went 4 it. HG
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Old 06-24-2002, 05:42 PM
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the cleveland came with canted valves in the heads,good flow = power. lots of torque, the "c" is heavier than the "w". the "m" and 400m have a 1/2 inch taller deck.there are more differences,i suggest finding a book on the ford motors. they are all good motors with the right parts. and i agree,the distributor IS in the right place!... ... fast fords 4 ever!!!!

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Old 06-25-2002, 11:36 AM
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All the above is great insight but I believe there is a philosophical component most don't want to admit to. Street Rodding has evolved to something totally removed from Hot Rodding. The latter began as a rebelloin against the norm, an insatiable need to be different - to stand out. Hot Rodders did everything themselves; if someone had a Chevy small block that ran all-out, the Hot Rodder would have little if any interest in it. He would go get a Ford or Mopar and make it out perform the other guy's Chevy or die trying!

Street Rodding is 100% a high buck, kit car, follow the current trend, industry. You will find precious few Hot Rodders there, by definition. A Street Rodder would rather be dead than be caught scrounging thru a salvage yard. Six figure $ cars are the norm for the in crowd, as are leather interiors, non-chrome bodies and billet custom wheels, the latest in computerized engine controls, and Mercedes quiet exhausts.

As Will Rogers said, "Every generalization is wrong including this one!", but the above holds quite a bit of truth.

Realize that a true Hot Rodder will build someting that will by definition, be out of style and not be accepted by the Street Rodder crowd. But after all, that is the definition of a Hot Rodder!!
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I had a 350 in my 55 truck and just didn't care for it. I did like the one comment about it being a mill that you can put in and be done, no imagination. I now have a 72 Olds 455. I am no mechanic by any means, but I learn as I go. I did as much as I could with parts but had someone else do the building. With places like Jegs and Summit, the prices for the "unpopular" mills are coming down. Now what I am waiting to see a picture of is the Hemmi in da Gremmie. Some times you just gotta do whatcha gotta do! Also, at least Olds put the sparkplugs above the manifolds and the dist does not go through the intake

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Generally speaking , the small block GM in standard form is more economical too, than it's Ford Mopar etc counterparts , having said that (and knowing im about to get shot down in flames if wrong...)if your planning on mild tweaks to the engine only , then the Ford and Mopar will generally respond better to altered cam profiles etc in a standard form due to a higher flowing head design, NOTE this is a generalisation on the base run of the mill engines!!
although ill accept any critisism deserved...

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This is gonna be a long one:

Chevy 350's are very cheap,easy to find,and
make easy power because most hi-po parts
companies base their first prosucts on a sbc
then port them over to other engines.So the
sbc is gonna always be cheaper cuz GM threw
them into everything(from luxo,to hot rod,to
trucks,chevy,caddy,olds,pontiac,gmc etc.).

The Ford 302 comes tied in 2nd place i believe with the chevy 454.But the 351w is generally
always been a torqey motor not a high hp motor.
Usually found in trucks or boats.But they can
be made to go fast,just more dough involved.
351w vs. 351c.They are no where the same.The
windsor was developed in canada and the cleveland
in ohio.Nothing relly interchanges here.The 351m
is a cruddy engine,but a 2bbl 400m runs like a charm.I had one in a 78 LTD and it stomped a&*
on the street and made a few 13 second 1/4 et's
The ones with 4 bbls from the factory stank though
because the heads ports are way to big and to
quote hot rod magazine" it would take a blower
to fill the ports to anywhere near max vlocity"
Probably not much help,but that's all i know.
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Old 07-02-2002, 11:37 PM
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This is one of my pet peves. I think that nothing is more annoying to go to a car show and see a sbc in EVERYTHING. I agree it takes absolutely NO imagination. If you are really going to spend SO much time and effort and money customizing your hotrod to make it just the way you like it, you are NOT going to cut every corner. So, why should you cut corners with an engine JUST becuase its a few dollars cheaper and its what everybody else is doing. I TOTALLY agree with willys36, streetrodding is very trendy and the sbc is the root of all that trendiness evil. As for me, and im not just saying this, for my car EVERYTHING i do is becaue I think its cool or looks good. I dont give two sh*ts what other people think about it. You can make any domestic v8 fast, just some are cheaper than others. If you want something that sticks out of the crowd and doesn't blend in, use your imagination. I would kill to see a t-bucket or a 32-34 with a 351c. Or a chevy pickup with maybe a 366 or something. The coolest hotrod i ever saw was a 50s mercury with a 6-inch chop top, and mercedies headlights molded into custom outside everything like fabricated front feders and custon rear fenders, cadilac bumpers, 500cid caddy motor white wall tires, a paint color he "just kinda made up"..ect, ect, ect, i mean...this guy spent some major time at the junkyard and had the coolest hotrod i ever saw. Im not saying you absolutely HAVE TO, but how about his people,dont put a chevy into everything JUST cuz its cheaper, thats a pretty lame excuse.
Who cares if a few chevy people dont think its as cool cuz it dont have a bowtie on the engine. More people probably think its cooler because you did something different. Hey jet rodder, that guy is full of SH(T that told you that. How many ford guys do you know that are into those 32-34 fords? lets see, pretty much all of them. And how many people actually want those fords cars with chevy engines? Lets see, not too many. If quantaty is directly related to the price of things, like the reason chevys are a dime a dozen. Dont you think that because some engines arent as plentiful as chevy's, they would be worth more money? um, yea, take the hemi for instance. whew. I've been wanting to get that out for a while but i think i got everything. Sorry if i've offended anyone in my whole shpiel there.
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I call SBC powered street rods "cookie cutter cars" because one is just like the next. They take no imagination to build and have to rely on trick paint and interiors to stand out from the crowd.

In their defense though, people use the SBC for several basic reasons. They're cheap, reliable, plentiful, and performance parts are inexpensive and easy to find. But the one over riding reason so many SBC cars are around is that the builder was lazy. He didn’t want to have to work to install a motor and either doesn’t have the skills or ambition to fabricate the stuff needed to be different. He just wanted to bolt it in and go and you just can't do that with a Mopar small block, Ford 302, or Hemi. It takes work to fabricate motor mounts and everything else that comes with the territory when you choose something different.

Try finding a bolt in set of SB Ford motor mounts for a Deuce frame. They may be out there somewhere but it'll take work to find them. Same thing with the SB Mopar, Hemi, Cad motors, and most early Ponitacs and Olds motors too. I guess the one thing that really irks me more than anything else is when the guy says he chose the SBC because of its reliability. That’s the biggest pile of BS anyone can imagine. The SBC is no more reliable than anything else. I wish they would just fess up and say they chose it because it was the “cheap and easy ” way to go.

We drive and build street/hot rods because most of us are individualists. Some of us are a bit more of an individualist than others, that's all.
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