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I'm looking into purchasing a 400+HP small block chevy crate engine for my '80 'Vette with auto trans and 3.73 rear. What has been your experience with crate engine companies. I'm considering the Fast Burn 385 or ZZ430. I've also been considering the "Hot 383" from MAS Performance out of Wisconsin. I appreciate any input. Thanks!

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The ZZ430 motor was a limited production run of GMPP motors sequentially numbered on the valve covers. Unless you know of where one is and are willing to pay an exorbinant price due to the collectors value, you can build you own ZZ430 from GM Performance Parts. It was 430hp and 430# torque. I know of people who used them and some say that it is more of a mid range and top end motor, leaving the low end kind of flat...gears and transmission might improve that.
Originally, that particular motor sold for about $6,500, but I've seen people selling them for anywhere from $12,000 to $20,000! They were based on the ZZ4 motor with add on parts right out of the GMPP catalog.
The "Fast Burn" 385 is almost the same motor as the ZZ430. GMPP is due to release some new crate motors pretty soon...such as the ZZ series of bbc crate motors that everyone has been anxiously awaiting. They will be coming out with a ZZ383 which will obviously be a stroker with approx. 425hp and as much torque if memory from the magazine hype serves me correctly. No releases as yet on pricing.
There have been a number of magazine articles in the past year about the great availability of crate motors available from GM, Ford and Mopar as well as the aftermarket crate motors.
If I was looking for another crate motor with major hp/torque, I'd look strongly at the BILL MITCHELL RACING series of performance crate motors, in sbc and bbc.
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I am not too into those crate motors. If you do your homework and shop around you can come up with a better engine than a crate motor and you can do it for way cheaper. Just build it yourself. Put the money into the machine work and the heads.
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ZZ430's originally cost almost $8000 from the dealerships. Mine came from Scoggins-Dickey Chevrolet in Texas.

They are strong yet idle fairly well.
You get everything, starter, carb, water pump distributor and wires.

There are some Chevrolet dealers building their own ZZ430.......using the same pieces GM used but no starter, carb and such for less than $5000.

You could buy a ZZ4 short block, FastBurn heads........ add intake, and a HotCam with 1.6 roller rockers and have the same thing.......just NOT the pedigreed #

Yes I have the very LAST ZZ430 made........

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You are in possession of one of two of the most prized ZZ430 motors, #001 and #430. Are you going to use it or keep it for posterity?
I went with a guy to pick up his ZZ430 at SANDS CHEVROLET in Phoenix just after they came out with them. Some of the dealers were buying the ZZ430 motors from other dealers who didn't want their allotment. I watched the guy fork over just over $6,500 for his motor, but it was a number in the mid 300s.
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