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Old 02-10-2008, 08:00 PM
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If you're going to replace the ball joints anyway, use the BFH on the threaded end. Whack it outta there.

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If you're going to replace the ball joints anyway, use the BFH on the threaded end. Whack it outta there.
That would've, if I was sufficiently accurate with a hammer to whack in spite of all the obstructions, ended me up with the same problem I have now - damaged threads that would prevent removal of the nut I'm keeping on there to keep the frame from flying up under the tension of the suspension spring.

I'll have other castle nuts from other parted out cars, but do ball joints generally come with new castle nuts?
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hey slipangle, thanks for the response. i.ve had that problem with nuts on ball joints and tie rod ends. clamp the spindle and lower control arm together with vice grips, this will provide friction at the taper and allow you to remove the nut. when you remove the vice grips everything will fall apart.....OR..cut the nut off, if you got the spindle loose from the ball joint the hard part is done.
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I always do'em like Techron does, but I like the tool that Mike posted the pic of. I'd say that between the two, you'll never have a problem. Will definitely keep the tool idea in mind 'cause sometimes they can be a real beotch!

This reminds me of the exploding ball joint that happened in the bay next to me. He was giving it a good blast of heat (to remove it from the control arm) when the grease met it's flashing point (my theory anyhow). That ball joint stud/shank shot out like a bullet, sounded like a shotgun and took a good sized chunk of concrete out of the floor. Almost caught him in the crotch on the way to the floor!
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If you have room, there's a variation on the BFH scheme that I saw an old dude do in a junkyard once. He took two similar-sized hammers and hit the spindle eye on opposite sides at the same time, while another guy put separating tension on the joint. I guess it gets more vibration on the spindle eye without tending to bend it so much. I've done it a couple of times, and I never had to hit one too terribly hard to get it to break loose.
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A 4 lb hammer to the side of the tapered socket will pop it every time and wont destroy the boot if you are reusing the parts. Forks are pretty much usless if you are planning on reusing the joints. We have also used an impact chissel with a flat hammering bit on stuborn ones. Beating on the top usually does nothing but make it tighter and ruining the threads. There are good puller type balljoint tools but I still like the hammer the best. 1 Solid whack will usually do the trick.
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A 4 lb hammer to the side of the tapered socket will pop it every time
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No. It won't work EVERY time.

"Every" is an all inclusive word, meaning that there will NEVER be a time when a smack with a hammer will not dislodge a ball joint.


I have ALOT of experience with hammers...and ball joints...I learned that trick when I was 16 too, from an old mechanic who was generous enough to let a kid like me hang around his shop...like many of you..

There are times when that hammer trick will not work.

I've seen it happen, and had to deal with it. I am not a book taught idiot either.

I am posting like this because when you say that way with a hammer works EVERY time, you are saying that simple little 4 dollar tool that I shared is a waste of time and effort and totally unnecessary.

What do you do when the spindle is painted, or powder coated, and the car is a show car?

Do you still whip out the hammer?
I'll bet the guys who bring a finished car to you to work on are so happy to see smashed up paint on their suspension parts.

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This 4 pound hammer

is a little too heavy

for my size

buddy for my size.....

Thought you all would like a little country music...
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This 4 pound hammer

is a little too heavy

for my size

buddy for my size.....

Thought you all would like a little country music...
????????????? country music ...what song are you referring to?

If at first you don't succeed get a bigger hammer

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re: Separating a stubborn lower ball joint taper

HELL THAT'S THE BEST THING I'V EVER SAW .I'M GOING TO THE HARDWARE STORE SO I CAN MAKE ME ONE .I AGREE A HAMMER DOSN'T WORK ALL THE TIME .I THINK WE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE WITH THAT ONE
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pmeisel used a little bit of artistic license with those lyrics..

Here's the lyrics as listed sung by a country singing favorite of mine...

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/g...mer-12703.html
Now don't be saying that the Fat man ain't country either...

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hi mike, just to clarafy, you are right, the big hammer doesn't always work. somebody else said that. i'm doing an early vette and three of the ball joint popped right loose with a 4# hammer, the last lower ball joint wouldn't budge. i just removed the lower control arm with the spindle still on and took it to my buddies shop, he has a section of railroad track they use as an anvil. we laid the spindle on that and he started wailing on it with a 12# sledge with a 4' handle--after 2 hits--POP-- it was loose.

the tool you showed IS cool and i would never beat on a powder coated spindle on a show car---but how many of those wear out balljoints pulling off and on the trailer???
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the tool you showed IS cool and i would never beat on a powder coated spindle on a show car---but how many of those wear out balljoints pulling off and on the trailer???


Hahahahah you guys do too much service/repair, and not enough hot rod....

People change springs to shockwaves all the time...and swap in different rate springs, as well as cut springs down that are too tall.

Recently I had a 47 ford PU in my shop with nicely painted undercarriage. The ball joints were not wore out. I swapped 3 sets of different springs in and out of the truck and made a couple of cuts on one set before the guy was happy with the height and ride.

Using the hammer would have made a mess out of that spindle, he would have been pissed, and questioned my quality of work.

Also, urethane bushings wear out about twice as fast as the ball joints. Replacing those in a car with coated pretty spindles is another opportunity to not take a hammer to the spindle. I did a set of those on a 34 with show chrome all underneath. Beating chrome with a hammer is not the happening setup.


Don't get me wrong, I actually DO use the hammer trick alot, on stuff that people don't look at, or care about and times when I want to feel like I am working to beat flat rate on a car that is a driver..

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No. It won't work EVERY time.

"Every" is an all inclusive word, meaning that there will NEVER be a time when a smack with a hammer will not dislodge a ball joint.


I have ALOT of experience with hammers...and ball joints...I learned that trick when I was 16 too, from an old mechanic who was generous enough to let a kid like me hang around his shop...like many of you..

There are times when that hammer trick will not work.

I've seen it happen, and had to deal with it. I am not a book taught idiot either.

I am posting like this because when you say that way with a hammer works EVERY time, you are saying that simple little 4 dollar tool that I shared is a waste of time and effort and totally unnecessary.

What do you do when the spindle is painted, or powder coated, and the car is a show car?

Do you still whip out the hammer?
I'll bet the guys who bring a finished car to you to work on are so happy to see smashed up paint on their suspension parts.
Later, mikey
Well I dont usually work on show cars and the hundreds of ball joints or tie rods I have replaced in my lifetime have always seperated with a hammer blow and it always worked. I was not dumping on your tool just trying to help. I never said anything negative about you or the tool you suggested and I think your post is out of line and of no help to anyone. Hardly the type of example a moderator should be setting for others.

Chet

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