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I got the crank loose and I don't see it hitting anything but it won't fall back into place.

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Is the timing cover still in place? If so unbolt it and let it hang there. See if that helps.
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Just for a dumb qusetion on my part, but the crank bolts' washer isn't still stuck to the balancer? This is about the only thing I can Think of that would make a balancer need a 4' snipe to remove.
Snipe? Aren't those little woodland creatures that you send people you don't really like out to catch?

Just kidding.

I was wondering if the bolt and washer had been removed myself.
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Just for a dumb qusetion on my part, but the crank bolts' washer isn't still stuck to the balancer? This is about the only thing I can Think of that would make a balancer need a 4' snipe to remove.
I'm not sure I know what your talking about
edit: no the washer is out

the timing cover is loose
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I'm not sure I know what your talking about

the timing cover is loose
There is a washer and bolt in the direct middle of the balancer. It is what holds the balancer on the crank. Did you remove both?

By the way, loosen all caps enough so you can pick the entire crank up and set it back in straight.
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yeah there both gone, the bolt from the puller kit is in its place
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I can lift the crank 4 inches in the air but it won't go back to the right place, at a certain point it just won't go down and I don't see anything in the way
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can you show a picture?

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Later tonight I can get a picture up
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Stuck crank

Doc here,

Well, I'll get this out right upfront...NOT a ford guy at all..GM and Corvette only...

But I think I can tell you what is hanging the crank up...

The timing chain. either while moving the crank about or just normal tightness the chain is holding the crank from seating back into the main girdles..

You are committed now..you MUST get the crank pulley off and the timing chain cover and gear on the cam off to get it to seat again..between that and the thrust washers, it won't go back in.

I assume you have the Flex-plate / Flywheel off? If not....pull those too.

Never even bother to pull the pan until the accessories are all off the engine...

This includes the harmonic balancer, and timing chain Cover, timing chain and cam gear..first of all (unless your just doing rings, oil pump replacement, or don't care about turning the crank and trying to get more mileage out of a knocking rod, with a new insert) there is no reason to be in there before pulling the cam gear and timing chain.

Second, as you just found out...once you do there is nothing else you can do until you pull the cover and chain off. AND with the lower end disassembled it makes it just that much harder to "Untorque" things.

You now need to "Lock" the crank in place, (even now if it means chaining a non journal area, and bolting the chain to the block or other immovable force.)and remove that balancer..IF it won't come with a puller and taping it, than wash all the oil off it, and heat it while you tighten the puller down and tap it.

If it still won't budge....(because the crank keeps moving..and you can't bolt it down and lock it) your Very, Very last resort is going to be get a muffler gun or a pair of sharp tin snips, or drill and cut a slot, and cut the timing chain cover from around the crank and remove it...You'll have to buy a new one when you put the engine back together..(cost of learning )

Then Remove the Cam gear and timing chain...I bet the crank sits right back into the girdles then! After you Get the crank out, you can remove the balancer by locking the crank in a BIG *** Vise and working it from there..heat, tapping and tightening the puller.

If after you get the crank out, the balancer is so hopelessly stuck...just take it to the machine shop..they can remove it when they turn the crank.

Last bit of advise...Hindsight...unless it's someone you know and trust well...never take advice of a "self proclaimed pro"..ESPECIALLY when it's counter to what the manual Say's..

In the past, I 've had guys tell me "Yeah, I can fix that, I know all about Vettes.." (which are similar to, but different than Other GM's in many ways..I have worked on them for 35 years..) and they totally haven't a clue...I have to ask..just how many vettes have you worked on?? and the ones made by Revell don't count!..GO BY THE MANUAL!!

Hope that helps..
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I bet your exactly right Doc, I just didn't have the heart to tell him he will most likely have to cut the timing cover off.

You could try moderately heating the balance where it slides on the crank with a propane torch if you can get at it with the timing cover in the way. You may be able to expand it enough to get the balancer off. Just be sure to securely block the crank in before heating.
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This probably a really bad idea but could I cut the timing chain off with a bolt cutter? I figure it would be easier than cutting off the timing cover.

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If you can get at it that would be fine. Can you get to it with the timing cover in the way?
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I think I might be able to turn the chain a little bit sideways and get at it.
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I'll post up once I get a bolt cutter and attempt it
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