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Old 03-10-2005, 11:37 AM
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The recent scandal at Boeing where the CEO was fired, I'm most curious as to what you all think.

My feeling is the following.
*One he is old and ugly, is he so stupid to think that 48 year old VP wanted him for sex?
Just on the above bases if he is that stupid he should be fired!
*I have no feelings for him at all even though now he must explain and deal with his wife and kids and grand kids, this would make for an interesting explanation at the Easter gathering.
* This is never good for any company to have an higher up boinking a subordinate as it cannot be kept a secret and and it affects both the attitudes and the work of other equals that are wondering about all the favors and perks and promotions she gets.
*The person getting porked, if promoted will never have respect from any of her equals or subordinates, so she is in effect useless.

Both of my companies, at time of hiring sign a statement that if they stick their D**k in the company inkwell, they will be fired.
This includes employees and all customers hired help. Only had to fire one about 8 years ago after found out he was porking a counter person at a customers store. By the time I found out this had been going on for 3 years, he was a great employee.

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Old 03-10-2005, 12:13 PM
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I think we have become a country of hypocrites. Everyone is having sex with someone or wanting to. Women trading sex for power or money is as old as mankind. I couldn't really give a rip what the old guy was doing and with who, we're all doing it too.

We have become a nation that thrives on sensationalism, just tune in the tube and watch.

We are all tuned into sex 24/7, so everything we watch, read or hear is sexually related. Sad but true.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:15 PM
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As long as it's consenual it's nobody's business where people are stickin there ____. As for the person trying to get ahead by giving it that's their moral dilemma and it will not work for long. how can you fire someone for meeting someone and having a relationship? If they don't do anything illegal that hurts the bottom line it's ok. As far as an affair that is between the offender and their spouse, as long as you don't get asked to cover. If you did that around here you would be hit with a wrongful dismissal claim so fast your head would spin. I hope there was more to it than the relationship. As for boeing they would never let the public know the whole truth behind a golden handshake. These companies are as secretive about their inner workings as the military. I'm sure this is a coincidental occurance that is a nice diversion. they have stockholders to please and any time the boss gets the heave ho the stock is on a knife edge. If the reality were a business problem stock would take a kickin whereas a personal problem shouldn't cause a sell recommendation.
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People get fired for poor judgement..so pick wisely if one is to get some "pork"..Harry was the one who was talking big about ethics and such..so who gets caught with his thing in the company inkwell..Oh well..

Seems the thing is the guys who yak the most are he ones who get into trouble..Read Rush Limbaugh and several others,,

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Old 03-10-2005, 12:45 PM
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[QUOTE=speede5]As long as it's consenual it's nobody's business where people are stickin there ____. how can you fire someone for meeting someone and having a relationship? If you did that around here you would be hit with a wrongful dismissal claim so fast your head would spin. I hope there was more to it than the relationship.
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WOW!
Looks like I hit a sensitive spot.

First of all when I was having dinner with him and his wife to offer him a job, I explained for about 5 minutes why he would be fired if this happens, so it was up front and loud and clear.

Wrongful dismissal suit? Not in this country, He signed the agreement but legally I don't even need an agreement.

As long as I own the company we will have morals or you can be like him and make your own and work somewhere else.
I was best man in his wedding and today he hates me as it cost him a divorce and bankruptcy and now 8 years later he is making less than half he made a year with me.( his wife caught him and told me,"thats vengence" so the devorce had nothing to do with me) Do I feel bad? Yes for his ex wife, but he knew the rules and i think he knew his marriage vows at the time he got married. It was all within his control and he can blame no one else.

The other thing that will get you fired with me and I'm sure you will hate this one. If you lie to a customer or a painter.
I really don't care what the majors do or don't do. were taking the high road.

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Old 03-10-2005, 02:37 PM
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I can not agree with the theroy that it hurts no one. If you were the one going for that advancement or new position and " Linda" got it because she has a velvet throat,but was extremely less expierenced,you would be pissed.I know I would! I bust my butt every night,just to make a buck. I am not a deep rooted company man,but I give 100% and expect the same chances fopr advancement than anyone else. Rules are rules,you know them when you are hired in somewhere. You want to have sex with co-workers? Go into the Blue Movies buisness. Our company even has a policy that you may not date anyone who is in direct or indirect charge of you. If you are dating an employee and they find out,if you are in management you are demoted and shifts are changed to where you both wear seperate shifts. That is only fair. Not being mean,but if my wife worked for me,and you worked for me,who is going to get the crap jobs. Of course,that is one of the reasons why this type of action is frowned upon,by employeers and the workforce in general. Just because we live in a society that condones this does not make it right.
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Well I'm new to the board and while reading this post I had some thoughts...To barryk I think we all could agree in principal with your company policy and your right to enforce them....what i had a problem with was your glee in being the judge and jury....your question..you are are "most"curious about what we think... and how much detail and pleasure you appear to have telling us of his punishment and suffering of his family...I have feeling for him, I'm not saying he was right, but I am not rejoicing in his misery , I feel like I have no right to rejoice in his misery... you feel good about the power to change a mans life ... guess I'm somewhere in the middle of these two extremes...I pray that I'll never fall ..fatchuk
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Well I'm new to the board and while reading this post I had some thoughts...To barryk I think we all could agree in principal with your company policy and your right to enforce them....what i had a problem with was your glee in being the judge and jury....your question..you are are "most"curious about what we think... and how much detail and pleasure you appear to have telling us of his punishment and suffering of his family...I have feeling for him, I'm not saying he was right, but I am not rejoicing in his misery , I feel like I have no right to rejoice in his misery... you feel good about the power to change a mans life ... guess I'm somewhere in the middle of these two extremes...I pray that I'll never fall ..fatchuk
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Sorry you got that impression, This guy was a very close friend, worked for me for about 7 years He never had to ask for a raise and was making six figures back 8 years ago. When this blew up there had been damage to the jobber and myself. Thats how all this came to light.
It was perhaps one of the toughest things I ever had to do but one person cannot be allowed to affect all the other employees of my company or the employees and owner of the jobber store.
In 20 years I have had a turnover of two people with both companies, the above and another one that caught stealing not from me but a customer.
So must not be to bad of a place to work for. Only others that left were when spouses transferred or a couple of retirements.
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Old 03-10-2005, 07:21 PM
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Personally, I think it's a fine line to really prove that someone is boinking someone else, unless they are doing it on the desk.

I've never had a staff that large that this type of thing would be a problem, but If I did, I think I would just make the policy thus: If subordinates of equality are "fraternizing", then so be it, but once it's permanent, then that's like family working together, and someone would have to step down. If I owned more than one facility, I would probably separate them.

The real problem with supervisors, managers, CEO's , etc boinking people beneath them is that it easily opens up your company to sexual harassment issues. We all do it, we all want to do it, but allas, there must be some restraint, otherwise we'd just have........ it would be like, France or Sweden.

Everybody has an eye for sex and it makes a good story. Just ask Michael Jackson or Kobe Bryant or Bill Clinton or Gary Hart or JFK or ...... you guys can add to the list, it's too long to write. I don't think we have the bandwidth to list it all, now has anyone seen my John Holmes super pump?, I've misplaced it.
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Old 03-10-2005, 07:38 PM
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I don't know the particulars concerning BarryKs situation, other than the fella was cheatin' on his wife and for some reason it caused an uproar at the other company. If it upset the business relationship I can understand.

I'll say this, I'm single and if I met a single chickie that worked for a competitor, supplier, associate with.....etc. of the company I worked for and we decided it would be fun to do some horizontal boppin' and I got canned for it 'cause someone got their delicate feathers ruffled over me gettin' laid, we'd be in court quicker than you can say "I'll boink whoever I want to and it ain't anybodys damned business", 'cause it ain't.

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I got canned for it 'cause someone got their delicate feathers ruffled over me gettin' laid, we'd be in court quicker than you can say "I'll boink whoever I want to and it ain't anybodys damned business", 'cause it ain't.

Larry[/QUOTE]

Well, in most of the states I know of, you will never make it court because you have no case. Some companies allow but most of the major corporations today have written policy. My wife works for a fortune 500 company and its black and white and the net result is you lose.

One thing I have seen over the years is many peoples careers come to an end over something like this some I knew and some I did not.

If I was working for a company as free and available it (sex) is today I think I would do it with a non vendor or non fellow employee so if I did get caught I would only have to explain to wife and not the company.

The old saying is don't crap where you eat.
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Old 03-10-2005, 09:25 PM
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Don't take this the wrong way. It's not directed to you personally. It's directed at dictatorial corporate policy in general.

Policies, like those you mention, interfere with an individuals personal freedom. A written corporate policy that dictates, to corporate employees, the eligibility of a potential partner in a personal relationship...... based on the place of employment....... backed up by the threat of termination or denial of employment......is wrong.

I understand that people have a choice to say yes or no, corporations need to understand that they have no right to interfere with or influence that choice. It's just plain ridiculous to think that working stiffs can be forced to choose between gainful employment or a fulfilling personal life,
and it's wrong.

I know, it's a fine line. If an employee with access to sensitive company information enters into an adulterous relationship with a person employed by a competitor that is grounds for dismissal. You have to assume that that indivuals integrity is to be questioned and it's a justifiable decision to fire them.

If Joe Dockworker at Hoopajoop Shipping is slipping the meatwhistle to Jane Secretary at the law office of Dewey-Cheatem and Howe, does either of them deserve to be fired? No, but the loose definiton of the policies in question allow either employer to indiscriminatly terminate the employement of Joe or Jane at will for no ther reason than getting laid.

It's my opinion that these policies need to be written to require a proven danger to the prosperity and operation of the employers business to justify termination.

Ya dig,

Larry

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For as long as I can remember, gitin' it on with the babes at work has been Taboo for some real obvious reasons. This message seemes to have slipped through the cracks here in corporate America lately. A real good example of this is when you've got no less than five single gals in the office and all the guys who've been there for a while leave 'em alone, if not for the risk of loosing a good job over it - for the fact, it just makes good sence to look for poontang elswhere.
Then it happens... The company gets busy and hires 15 newbies and within a year or two, all the single gals in the office are either hitched up or knocked up. The next thing you know, the newbies are all off on Family Medical Leave, taking care of thier new corporate rug rats, and we get to work the off shift while they're all gone. Then, just to ad a little insult to injury the office Mommies, proud that daddy works there too, drag thier little younguns off to the company piknik party, all dressed up in company T-shirts. But what really takes the cake, is when one of 'em tosses one of those little Company Bumkins up on a piknik table to change his diaper while you're trying to eat...
Don't laugh - it really happened.

I think they should fire 'em all and start over!

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Old 03-10-2005, 10:21 PM
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I agree with you, Company Rugrat or not. Don't change a dookie diaper in front of me while I'm stuffing an already full gut with even more or mommy and her crumb-snatcher will be needing more than a diaper change.

Common sense says to stay away from women you have to work with. They ALWAYS get mad 'cause all you wanted was some booty and they will find a way to make you miserable, they have 50hrs a week to do it too. It just isn't very pleasant or productive for that matter.

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