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knighthawk 02-15-2007 02:55 PM

shocks
 
I put brand new shocks on my '67 Olds Toronado, expecting that Caddilac floating ride. Nope, just an average, sometimes bumpy ride. If I recall correctly, the caddys from about, late 60's early 70's ( maybe always did ) had a different shock, from G M , it was not the same shock other similar sized cars used. O K , my problem is........ I can not get those shocks ! Even talking to Gabreil and Monroe, they don't know what I'm talking about, all they got are these gas filled things, which they both say are the correct direct replacements. Does any body out there know what I'm tal1kng about ? Also can I order a special flow rate or wharever it's called ? If so, what what would it be ????

xntrik 02-15-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by knighthawk
I put brand new shocks on my '67 Olds Toronado, expecting that Caddilac floating ride. Nope, just an average, sometimes bumpy ride. If I recall correctly, the caddys from about, late 60's early 70's ( maybe always did ) had a different shock, from G M , it was not the same shock other similar sized cars used. O K , my problem is........ I can not get those shocks ! Even talking to Gabreil and Monroe, they don't know what I'm talking about, all they got are these gas filled things, which they both say are the correct direct replacements. Does any body out there know what I'm tal1kng about ? Also can I order a special flow rate or wharever it's called ? If so, what what would it be ????

Ya, they talked me into "Monroe 4 for 3 special" on my Lincoln TownCar and it rode like a Falcon.

Couple years later met a boss from the Monroe plant and he said....

"Absolutely, too stiff. That is what people want, more control... he said they made a softer one, but not as soft as originals.
Check with Auto Zone for their cheaper shocks. They don't last but 40,000 but they ride softer". :thumbup:

It's moot, but I think the 66-67 had a stiffer calibration than the later ones. Buddy still has a 70 Tor with no rust, but a UPS truck backed into the left front fender, (such language, :nono: )

knighthawk 02-16-2007 09:56 AM

so your saying, I need softer ( cheaper ) shocks.... softer like in lower dampening ...whatever you call it ???

pasadenahotrod 02-16-2007 11:05 AM

You may actually need new coil springs which should be available at your lcal parts stores for about $135 pair either end. New springs bring back the good ride and return the car to original ride height. Worn springs can actually drop a car so the shocks will be bottoming out on a rough road.

knighthawk 02-16-2007 01:03 PM

On the rear, yes it's possible, as they are 40 years old, and there is a louder thump from the rear. BUT, the front has the torsion bars,( straight bars that go front to rear ) so, I'd think it almost has to be the shock ????

pasadenahotrod 02-16-2007 03:46 PM

I never knew Toronado had a torsion bar front suspension, but, since it does, you will find and adjust for same where there is a lever arm and adjustable screw at one end or the other of the bar. You can adjust the ride height there.
Torsion bars are , quite simply, uncoiled coil springs and wear out too, but they do have the advantage of being adjustable up to a point.
Leave the shocks you have on there, adjust the front suspension, replace the rear coils and see how things are then.
It has to get better, I think. You may be able to buy new bars for the front from GM but that I don't know for sure about.

knighthawk 02-17-2007 02:21 PM

Darn it ! I knew that ! Guess it just didn't register ! I do know of the adjusters, as I re-adjusted the height when I first put this on the road . Guess I just never figured they would wear out. Guess it does help to talk ( or write ) about things, huh ?

xntrik 02-18-2007 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by knighthawk
so your saying, I need softer ( cheaper ) shocks.... softer like in lower dampening ...whatever you call it ???

If you are getting a lot of jiggle over tiny bumps, the shocks are too stiff, yes.

Start with a softer valved shock. If your shocks are too stiff, new springs will ride just as rough as the old ones. Springs hold up the car. Shocks slow the movement of the suspension when you hit bumps, tar strips, etc.

Tires make a BIG difference in ride quality also.

Shocks wear out internally over time and pass oil easier through and around the piston, softening the ride. Personally I don't want to wait 30,000 miles for the ride to improve.

knighthawk 02-19-2007 08:46 AM

I don't know if it'a a jiggle or jangle all I know is it theres a clunk, clunk,or a thump, thump, every time us hit a bump ! The ries are good; B F goodrich T A 's 855-70-15 ! I know they're not, but, it almost like they're over inflated.!!


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