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Old 09-13-2010, 06:45 PM
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Shocks question

I am currently building a 47 ford rat rod and i am having problems figuring out how to set up shocks on the ride. So, my question is, would you try to use hydraulic shocks on the front or build shock mounts for my truck? First and second images attached are my front suspension set up as it currently sits. The front end of the truck is a speedway.

My third question is about the rear suspension, right now my frame actually hits the ford 9" rear. The frame only sits about an 1/8" off of the axle. What would you do to lift the frame off of the axle? How would you look at installing shocks? third image is of the rear.


I did do some searching on the site for different set up's, but it appears there are just to many options out there for the different vehicle set ups.
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:59 PM
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IMHO I would look into friction shocks for the front.
Easiest way to get some clearance in the rear would be to put the rear end on top of the springs rather then under as it looks in the picture.
Without more picyures can't really tell how that is set up. Luck. Bob.
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Thanks for the reply bob. I will go take a better picture of the rear set up. I do that the axle sitting on top of the springs and u bolted. But the frame ends up hitting the axle.......be right back.
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here we go.........
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Cut the spring perches off of the bottom of axle and weld them on top of the axle and put the axle under the springs . Keep in mind that you have to dial in the correct pinion angle when you do this , Which would most likely need done any way . As for the fron shocks , take a look at this photo of my T-bucket for an idea .
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awesome picture of the front end. that maybe the route i will go. Looks awesome. What shocks did you go with?
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I don't like that set up . Looks a little weak. Looks like they wanted the truck really low so mounted the spring supports outboard of the frame. To keep that setup you will need to "C" notch the frame above the axel to get some clearance. Then add a cross bar between the "C's" to hold the top of the shocks and get a lower leaf spring shock mount for the bottom of the shock. You should do a search on this forum for rear end setups. Also look at some project journals and get some ideas.
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The only solution for clearance of the axle to the frame if you want to retain that low ride height in the rear is a C-notch in the frame rails over the axle tube. Putting the axle under the springs will raise the rear several inches.

EDIT: I see Cape Cod Bob just posted the same info.
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Thanks for the reply guys, and i did do a search for rear end set up's and there were just so many options and opinions i was hoping to have something a little more focused to the problem i ran into. Now that i have a few idea's from you guys, i will search on C notching the frame. Maybe the best route for the rear.

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awesome picture of the front end. that maybe the route i will go. Looks awesome. What shocks did you go with?
I actually bought my bucket partially completed and the shocks were on it , but you could check Speedway Motors for shocks and build your mounts to suit .
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Hey, thats what we're here for. I could not have done my 31 as easy and well without help from members of this forum.
Looks like a great project. Good pictures. Could be a bit smaller.
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Thanks again guys, this is getting easier for me in my minds eye. I found a great picture of a c notch and think that is exactly what i will do for the rear. I attached an image of what i found doing a search on the site. Hope it's okay here to take an image of someone Else's work and share it?

What size images usually work best here? I set these ones to 1000 x 750. On my mustang website i usually set them at 1024 x 900. I will try going 700 maybe and see if that is easier to view.

Edit: i found that the image of the c notch is 640, so i will try that setting.
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The only solution for clearance of the axle to the frame if you want to retain that low ride height in the rear is a C-notch in the frame rails over the axle tube. Putting the axle under the springs will raise the rear several inches.

EDIT: I see Cape Cod Bob just posted the same info.
Yup . Puting the axle under the springs would raise it the thickness of the spring stack plus the diameter of the axle .
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C notch frame

Alright, after some great advice last night i have started my prep work to resolve my axle and frame hitting issue. Here are some pictures of the steps as i do them, to perform a c notch on my frame:

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