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Old 03-08-2012, 11:42 AM
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The thing about most safety equipment, you don't see an immediate result, so to you there is no need to "waste time" doing it.

The analogy I like to use is saving money. If you take one lousy dollar from each weekly paycheck and put it in a piggy bank, it would take years to add up to even a dinner out with the wife. But what do you have after 50 years of doing it? It wouldn't be a gold mine but you'd have a pretty nice little pile of cash for a vacation with the wife. "I'm just" is often heard when I tell a guy to put on his protection, "I'm just... priming this one spot", "I'm just....grinding one weld", "I'm just.....sanding a little putty".

But like that lousy dollar in the piggy bank, at retirement age, you have done a lot of damage to your body.

That damage isn't like having an empty piggy bank, you can do SOMETHING about the empty piggy bank, borrow money, lower your need for it, etc. But when you wake up at 50 years old one morning and you can't get out of bed because you lungs can't suck in enough air because you didn't wear proper respiratory protection the thousand times you were "just priming one spot", you can't bend over to tie your shoe because you knees are shot from kneeling on concrete because you were "just gonna take off this one bumper", etc.

All those THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of "just gonnas" catch up, and there is no turning back. No fixing it, you are 50 and you are looking like a 75 year old.

Nope, I am so damn happy when I look up at that beautiful sun shine with Mission peak (click here) in front of me that I protected my body all those thousands of "just gonnas".

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Old 03-08-2012, 11:57 AM
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i buy safety glasses by the case . same with gloves . i'm never more than a few feet from a pair. crap in the eyes sucks any way you spin it .
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Having worked in many jobs where safety training is required, I've been exposed to at least a thousand examples of why PPE should be worn, and why ALL safety procedures should be followed.

I have seen first hand injuries to eyes, ears, lungs, and skin that could have been easily avoided. The most profound was a presentation made by a man that worked in an oil refinery, where safety is paramout; yet on one fateful day one of those "I'm just gonna" excuses burned him past the point of wanting to die.

Now, for all of those who sincerely believe that the health care industry needs your business, please proceed to work without your PPE, ignore those safety procedures, don't bother to read the instructions. My portfoilio of health care investments thank you.
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I'm a little amazed. I work in one of the country's largest machine shops. My job is far more an office job then a shop job, but I am provided with safety shoes and prescription safety glasses. For people whose primary roles keep them in the factory . . . the quickest way to the unemployment line is to tell your supervisor/manager that you're not going to wear the PPE prescribed for the task at hand. Likewise, walking through our shops without Safety Glasses, and telling one of the "Safety Observers" that you won't go get the ones left immediately by the shop entrance . . . . Time off. No pay. I've been here for years, and I guess I just assumed all companies were this way. Maybe I'm just lucky after all.

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I have a feeling MARTINSR is going to be part of your long term memory as you will bring this conversation up in thirty years. Being "overly anal" about protecting yourself so you can enjoy this work for decades makes sense to me.

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I'm just saying there's guys that are just waaay overboard with it. Like, "man, what are you doing in this trade if you're gonna spend half the time "preparing" to do the job?" Those same safety geeks are the same dudes that will sit there for a half day contemplating their plan of action. Go to a competitive production shop and those geeks are nowhere to be found cause the bottom line is that they're usually not very productive..but they can "prepare" themselves to do the work just fine. Just my two cents.
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The thing about most safety equipment, you don't see an immediate result, so to you there is no need to "waste time" doing it.

The analogy I like to use is saving money. If you take one lousy dollar from each weekly paycheck and put it in a piggy bank, it would take years to add up to even a dinner out with the wife. But what do you have after 50 years of doing it? It wouldn't be a gold mine but you'd have a pretty nice little pile of cash for a vacation with the wife. "I'm just" is often heard when I tell a guy to put on his protection, "I'm just... priming this one spot", "I'm just....grinding one weld", "I'm just.....sanding a little putty".

But like that lousy dollar in the piggy bank, at retirement age, you have done a lot of damage to your body.

That damage isn't like having an empty piggy bank, you can do SOMETHING about the empty piggy bank, borrow money, lower your need for it, etc. But when you wake up at 50 years old one morning and you can't get out of bed because you lungs can't suck in enough air because you didn't wear proper respiratory protection the thousand times you were "just priming one spot", you can't bend over to tie your shoe because you knees are shot from kneeling on concrete because you were "just gonna take off this one bumper", etc.

All those THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of "just gonnas" catch up, and there is no turning back. No fixing it, you are 50 and you are looking like a 75 year old.

Nope, I am so damn happy when I look up at that beautiful sun shine with Mission peak (click here) in front of me that I protected my body all those thousands of "just gonnas".

Brian
I agree. You only have one set of eyes and ears. I've been to the ER one to many times. I'm careful about it, just not geeky about it.
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Ive gotten clear coat in my eye and I had safety glasses on. It a weird feeling for about three days. Not fun.
I went to the doctor and he said that I'd "already absorbed all the poison, the safest thing was to flush my eyes a few times a day and eventually' my DIY contact lenses would just fall off.

Regarding taking care of your body; I was born with cerebral palsy, and have had 14 surgeries to be able to do things as simple as hold a pencil and stand up. I've done physical therapy pretty much every day since I was 4 years old. I need a fistful of advil to take the edge off so I can concentrate.

IF someone somewhere told me the lifetime of surgeries could have been prevented...by PPE, I'd gladly trade.

Being a 'safety geek' makes being able to play with your grandkids a reality, not a possibility.
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The trick is to find some safety glasses that you like & are comfortable. Same thing with earplugs. Some are uncomfortable as hell. I finally found a good brand that home depot sells.

I've been working on airliner jets for over 20 years with no hearing loss. I've had a few things get into my eyes though. Aircraft hyd fluid burns like a ***** & tastes nasty
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My cousin was going to grind down a bolt head ONE TIME on a bench grinder. He was trying to clamp the bolt in a pair of Vice Grips and somehow the bolt turned out of them and shot the bolt into his eye! The bolt was still in his eye when he went into his house and had his wife extract the bolt and than headed to the emergency room. I know, he should have taped a small cup over the eye until they got to the hospital and let them remove it but where talking about "accident prevention" not "accident responsiveness" and it would take a very strong willed person to let a bolt (I shouldn't say bolt, I should say machine screw). hang out of your eye, I can only imagine the irritation it would cause. After going to the emergency room and getting checked out he was sent to a Specialist who then performed an 11 HOUR surgery on his eye!!!! He now can only see shadows and has no depth perception in that eye. And this is his dominant eye. He is left handed, left eye dominant and a HUGE bow hunter. So then he had to buy a new bow and learn to shoot right handed because he can hardly see anything out of the eye. I asked him once how long it would have taken to put on a pair of safety glasses and he said "I had them sitting on top of my head, in fact when I went into the emergency room they were trying to figure out how I got something in my eye when I was wearing safety glasses and how the glasses didn't get damaged.

Another piece of info, The Jackson Safety "Nemesis" glasses also come with a neck cord that way if for some reason you have to take the glasses off they are hanging right there around your neck. They also make "anti fog" lens cleaning wipes that work pretty well.
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The trick is to find some safety glasses that you like & are comfortable. Same thing with earplugs. Some are uncomfortable as hell. I finally found a good brand that home depot sells.

I've been working on airliner jets for over 20 years with no hearing loss. I've had a few things get into my eyes though. Aircraft hyd fluid burns like a ***** & tastes nasty
If you have slowly lost hearing over 20 years I doubt you would notice it. JMO
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You are correct, but I had a hearing test a few years back and all ok. New jets are more quiet these days. Not like those old 727s
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Shop safety

I used to be one of the "this will only take a second" type guys when I was younger and didn't use PPE, Etc, then I met why wife who is a nurse. After hearing about some of the accidental eye, hand and other trauma she deals with on a daily basis, I now wear PPE (personal protective equipment) all the time. I have eye protection and gloves everywhere in the shop. Just a note, I buy shooting sport glasses at Walmart. They are very clear, lightweight and inexpensive and designed for high speed projectile protection.
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AGAIN safety glasses are not just to keep rust out of your eyes! They keep sharp objects, sparks, blunt objects, etc. out also! Don't think for a moment that the only thing you'll get in your eye is rust, and if it's that bad don't think the glasses wont stop a lot of it.
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agree with the goggles.They have fog proof ones but they don't work well with masks and end up fogging up. If I need glasses it's for cutting steel and in that case I'll use goggles, but you're not gonna see me reaching for my glasses/goggles to mix filler or to sand on filler. I think that's just ridiculous in my opinion, and I've seen it done. Far as being under a car a face shield AND goggles makes you feel pretty stealthy down there when cutting metal/grinding and if you're just under a car nothing less than goggles. Glasses just don't work well under cars unless you plan on not touching it at all.

"oh no, I'm eating macaroni salad tonight, where's my glasses?"
Henry, I am not going to try to talk you into this because you are convinced that you don't look manly or you think it's a waste of time or what ever. But let me ask you, what would it hurt to put them on? Sanding bondo, yeah I don't think I want them in the way of my work in that particular area, cutting bondo flat takes some one on one intimate attention I really need to see exactly what I am doing with nothing in my way so I could understand that. But how about cleaning the board and splashing thinning in your eyes? How about if you used the glasses when you were roughing the work and just took them off for the finesse work at the end? What would it hurt?

What is really funny is it takes MUCH less than a minute to put on goggles. I have done some time studies for instance in driving thru traffic at different speeds for fuel economy, this has opened my eyes like nothing else has. The time we spend putting down the die grinder and to walk across the garage to get goggles and put them on and come back pickup the die grinder and get to work? How about 20 seconds! TWENTY SECONDS is what we are talking about! We have such a distorted image of time. Try going to the bathroom or changing your shoes or something, often less than a minute for either!

I just walked over to the kitchen and set a stop watch on the counter. Hit the button, walked to my closet opened the door picked out a pair of tennis shoes, went back to the kitchen and put them on, tying the laces not fast, in fact probably slower than I usually do. After tying them stood up and walked over to the counter where the stop watch was to see 32 seconds. THIRTY TWO SECONDS to go get my tennis shoes and put them on and back to "work".

You are saving SECONDS by not putting on the proper safety equipment to protect yourself from injury. But what is just as important is to put it on to save yourself from exposer to harmful things like dust, fumes, chemicals on the skin, that sort of thing. Those things aren't like a chunk of metal in the eye, they are like building that chunk of metal in your lungs or veins. Building a piece of metal in your body one molecule at a time. Taking the 20 seconds to put that respirator or gloves keeps you from building that piece of metal or pint of paint in your body.

I don't know about you but damn I love this life, I am going to try my best to wear out my welcome on this earth.

To give you an example of what I am talking about I was pulling apart my top frame from my car on a rack out in the driveway tonight. I had been removing parts from the top just standing there unscrewing screws and removing parts. I had to kneel down to remove some rubber pieces and I was about to kneel on driveway to do it. This was "only a few screws" and I could have easily just did it. But I care about my body and went into the garage and got my foam kneeling pad. It's a kids "wave board" for playing in the pool, I got it years ago for one of my kids and one day started using it for this. I keep it in the exact same spot every time I put it back so there is no looking for it. As soon as I decided to go get it I started counting off seconds "one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three" and it took me 11 seconds to go and get that pad and drop it on the ground to kneel on, eleven seconds!

We are talking about seconds to protect our bodies, I feel I'm worth it.

Brian

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brian, we finally found something we agree on 100%
safety is and has always been job one . we cant work if we cant see . i keep safety glasses everywhere. i have several pairs of knee pads . i wear gloves when i work . i also get a full work up every year including a chest x-ray and blood work. ours is a dangerous trade . putting on a pair of safety glasses beats a week with an eye patch anytime .
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