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Old 10-15-2009, 06:07 PM
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Here is the latest thing I used. Painting wheels has always been a PITA for me. I have tried hanging them, bolting them to an old axle, spreading them out on a table etc etc. I always have managed to get paint on my hands, runs, two day jobs etc. I was dreading painting the 5 new wheels for the 37 Pick Up project (see my journal), but JB, who is not a car guy, came up with an ideal that worked slick. He built a jig from scrap OSB and cut 5 sections of carpet roll tubes. He then split each one so he could twist them to fit in the axle/spindle hole. After inserting them into the 5 rims, we laid them out on saw horses and the "big tool" buggy. He would place a rim in the jig and I would proceed to paint it while turning the tube. When I finished a coat, he would remove the wheel by lifting each end of the tube and put it back in place on the saw horses/"big tool" and place another rim in the jig. It took less time to paint the rims with two coats than to mix the paint and clean up.

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Old 10-15-2009, 06:25 PM
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COOL, I'm stealing that one too...
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Here is the latest thing I used. Painting wheels has always been a PITA for me. I have tried hanging them, bolting them to an old axle, spreading them out on a table etc etc. I always have managed to get paint on my hands, runs, two day jobs etc. I was dreading painting the 5 new wheels for the 37 Pick Up project (see my journal), but JB, who is not a car guy, came up with an ideal that worked slick. He built a jig from scrap OSB and cut 5 sections of carpet roll tubes. He then split each one so he could twist them to fit in the axle/spindle hole. After inserting them into the 5 rims, we laid them out on saw horses and the "big tool" buggy. He would place a rim in the jig and I would proceed to paint it while turning the tube. When I finished a coat, he would remove the wheel by lifting each end of the tube and put it back in place on the saw horses/"big tool" and place another rim in the jig. It took less time to paint the rims with two coats than to mix the paint and clean up.

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Let me share with you the ultimate trick to painting wheels, mount the tire first! Yep, prime the wheel, paint the inside if you want. Then mount your tire but don't bead it. Just mount it leaving it loose on the rim. Now you can easily mask it off tucking the paper into the rim. After painting the outside you fill up the tire beading it! No scratches in your new paint, pretty as a peach.

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Old 10-15-2009, 07:20 PM
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Geez, that sounds great Brian.scratches are always a bummer...Thanks
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:18 PM
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I learned a lot of stuff at a restoration shop I worked at back in the seventies, that was one of the things that I have never forgot. We also had a tool to paint them on. It was a stand with a old spindle on it with a hub. The hub had metal rods welded off the top of the studs on the hub. Those rods were about 7/16" round and had a knotch ground in it at the top on the outer side. You would flex the rods togther and slip the rim over them at the lug holes. The rods pressure going out on the edge of the rim right at the knotch would hold the rims on. You could spin the rim as you painted it. Once the tire is mounted you just roll the wheel on the paper masked tire to get all the edges.

That guy was full of some great ideas, we had a rotating frame painting rack years before I ever saw one anywhere else.

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Old 10-16-2009, 07:17 AM
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Brian, So many ingenious tools these old timers made have been lost forever.Its to bad the internet wasnt around then,if you hadnt saw that and rememberd it it would have been thrown out after he died because no one knew what it was and lost with all the other stuff.I love making tools and equipment,as does most of us...problem solving and solutions...thats what its all about...I wish more guys would share thier ideas here insted of keeping them secret...I made a tool for replacing the inner structure of a deck lid or door bottom that saves the outer skin leaving it intact. I found it the other day but i keep forgetting to take a pic of it..Sometimes the inner structure rusts out and the skin is still perfect for instance a mustang deck lid.I'll post it tonight.its so simple you'll laugh...But then I'm simple minded so it all makes cents.
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:10 AM
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You know, just a few years ago I called him to thank him for the things he taught me. I wouldn't be nearly the bodyman I am today if not for Nick, he is a brilliant mind. I have worked for two of these guys in my life, the other one was the last job I had about eight years ago. What a thinker!

How about this for an idea, and he built everything he thought of, we used it in the shop.

He made a "hook" style puller for the frame rake. You know, one of those "J" shaped tools you would use to pull out a rear body panel? The thing was he added a tube at the front of the J to insert a port-o-power ram! So, you could put this hook around the panel and pump on the port-o-power until its foot was against the outer side of the panel while the end of the J was on the inside!

I'll draw it up and post it, it is hard to explain. But this guy is literally a genious, there is nothing else to call him, he came up with all kinds of stuff.

The problem with him, like most geniouses he thought TOO MUCH. He would make a simple process complicated with his ideas.

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Russ, just finished the brakes... the air bleeder worked great,started with 5lbs but it didnt need any more to work...I just loosend the fittings till I found where no fluid came out and as I suspected the rubber lines were pluged.they work fine now,Thanks,I owe ya one...Mike
I've always used a modified regular garden type pump sprayer to pressure bleed brakes.
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HEY,That reminds me I've got a radiator support puller i made that everybody loves I'll go get it too.I save a lot of crushed rad supports ,Thier so flimsey they straighten right out with this thing,completly adjustable and also incorerates potapower attachments but its simple leverage that does all the work,it'll pull straight up sideways or any other angle you'll com across...Everybody says I should get a patent for it but if they only knew how complicated and expensive it was to get one they would know why I dont bother I think I got some pics of the lasy car I used it on...just a used car we bought and fixed only bought a hood and a light thats it....the cost of the light almost made me sheet myself....Apairently I dont have as many pics as I thought I did I'll post a couple tonight...the 48's calling me out...BTW,why do my pics always come out all jumbled up ,out of order ?can I put them back in the propper order?
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I've always used a modified regular garden type pump sprayer to pressure bleed brakes.
The funny thing is ,I didnt even know they could be bled like that,I didnt know how a vacume bleeder worked ether,now I do ...49 yrs old and all the cars I've bled by pumping the pedal with someone else....man,what a waste of time.....This site is GREAT and so are you guys
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Here is a rough drawing of that tool I described.

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AHHH, A giant hydrolic C clamp,pretty cool...
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Brian, we thought of the install tire, mask and paint, but decided against it. JB has friends through out this area and one of those has a wheel and tire shop. He took the new tires and freshly painted wheels to him. They installed the tires without the use of tools, only lots of slick'um so there was not a scratch on the rims. Additionally, they had pre spun the rims on the balancer to get an ideal as to how true they were. After they installed the tires, they spun the wheel and tire to check how much weight was required to balance. They would then reposition the tire and repeat until each wheel took the minimum weight. The end result was two wheels have no weight (they go on the front, two have less than 3/16 oz weight (they go on the back) and the spare has about 1/4 oz. Talk about service!!!

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Brian, we thought of the install tire, mask and paint, but decided against it. JB has friends through out this area and one of those has a wheel and tire shop. He took the new tires and freshly painted wheels to him. They installed the tires without the use of tools, only lots of slick'um so there was not a scratch on the rims. Additionally, they had pre spun the rims on the balancer to get an ideal as to how true they were. After they installed the tires, they spun the wheel and tire to check how much weight was required to balance. They would then reposition the tire and repeat until each wheel took the minimum weight. The end result was two wheels have no weight (they go on the front, two have less than 3/16 oz weight (they go on the back) and the spare has about 1/4 oz. Talk about service!!!

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That is some service, few of us would ever dream of getting someone at a tire shop with so much passion.

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My pics look like crap but heres the skinner....made from a ceramic tile nibbler,I sharpend one prong to slip under the skin and the other prong I ground flat then put a groove in it for the edgeof the skin to fit in...just squeeze ....of coarse if it has some welds ,they need to be ground first
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