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Old 02-22-2006, 02:04 AM
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If you have a specialty shop do it, it might cost hundreds. My guess is that the same forum or source for the TB swap information has a handful of folks who have already done the modifications and had a DIY'er burn a chip that works. You could probably find someone with a PROM burner who can do the mods for cheap. The blank chips themselves cost about $3, and the burner costs a couple grand. Chances are, a home-brew setup has already been designed and might cost you $50-100. Maybe less if you find a compassionate friend who just wants to help out.


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Old 02-22-2006, 10:17 AM
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So then there people that can do it, but it costs 300 or so bucks......well dont have that......If I should happen to find a cheap person that has a prom burner then how or what would I tell them....they would also have to know what data to burn into the chip. I dont really know what info does matter for the burning process..like what rear end it has or does it have a aftermarket cam not to oem lobe and lift specs
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Old 02-22-2006, 10:40 AM
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Now we are getting into the real good stuff........you mentioned map and trim........I have heard of these.......as I did work for a chevy dealer for a year. how does block learn, map, trim, work??? I want to learn this stuff!!!I guess the real way to learn this stuff is get a scanner
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I suggest hitting some s10 forums. There is one listed in a previous post in this thread. There is also one at www.automotiveforums.com. Just follow through the forum tree to chevy, then s10. I'm sure there are probably a dozen guys who can help you come up with fuel and spark maps for your swap. Probably even a few that can burn the PROM chip for you.

Another good source is www.diy-efi.org . They are a bunch of guys with way too much time on their hands. They know all there is to know about the guts of car computers. There is another link you'll find at the diy-efi page for GM-ECM.com or something like that. Its the same basic thing, but specific to GM stuff.
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There is another way -- an adjustable MAP sensor. Try a google search. Basically it's a finely adjustable power supply inserted into the MAP power line. The MAP usually takes around 5V, but by SLIGHTLY increasing the voltage to the MAP, it will increase fuel supply a slight amount. This isn't a substitute for bigger injectors, but a fine tuning tool.

For example, on the Jeep 4.0L MPI engine, bored 0.030" over and using a 258 (4.2L, 0.44" longer stroke) crank, you determine that you need 24.6# injectors. No one makes them -- it's 24# or 26#. Most of us opt for the 24# then increase the voltage to the MAP to around 5.15V. That changes the reference voltage of the MAP and increases fuel delivery slightly -- across the entire fuel map in the computer. 26# would run slightly rich.

I don't think I'd go over 6.0V, and I don't know anyone who's running at more than 5.5V. I'm also not sure the engine will run if the voltage is below 4.5V -- the Jeep computer seems to sense a low voltage as a faulty MAP and shuts the engine off, but doesn't care about a higher voltage. Or maybe it's just turning it down that low is decreasing fuel to the point it won't run, but I doubt it.

You did mention the five speed in place of the auto, and chugging "under 2000 rpm". Try down shifting. The little engine isn't making enough power to cruise in fifth at 2000 rpm. If you get a vacuum gauge, you can see as you drive where the engine makes power. Basically you want to hold speed while producing the most vacuum for the best cruising speed and economy. With the auto trans it was turning a bit more rpm.

My 4.6L six in a 3700-3800 pound car doesn't make good power under 2000 rpm with an OD auto trans (0.70:1 OD ratio, 3.55 rear axle). According to my vac gauge, the engine will pull up to 25" of vacuum. Cruising at higher speed it pulls about 20" in OD, around 65-65 mph. If I increase to 70-75 mph, it will drop to 15". Accelerate or hit a hill, and it drops down to 10". At least in theory, the best economy is achieved at the highest vacuum reading. That means the throttle plate is closed more, or I'm using less throttle to maintain speed. If I drop below 1800 rpm on a level in OD, the vacuum drops considerably just maintaining speed or at the slightest hill. I can only maintain 15" or so of vacuum and have to drop to 10" on the slightest hill. That's around 55 mph. Out of OD I can maintain 50-55 mph without going over 2000 rpm and maintaining 20" of vacuum, and without falling under 15" just to maintain speed on an incline. With this in mind, I can safely determine that my torque peak is very close to 2000 rpm. You need to keep the engine near the torque peak for best power and efficiency, running to low rpm will actually decrease power and mileage.

I first ran 3.08 gears with the same car/engine/trans combo. The big in-line six had plenty of power to pull that ratio in OD, even down to 1500 rpm (it does now, of course), but vacuum was way down. The engine wasn't straining, but would "chug" a little on takeoff at that low rpm. So I installed the vacuum gauge, and then changed to the lower rear gear ratio (3.08 to 3.55), and stopped trying to run a steady speed under 2000 rpm. I used to shift around 1500-1800 rpm, but now wait until 2000-2200. Fuel mileage has improved noticeably, and the engine is much more responsive. Your little 2.8L V-6 probably peaks closer to 2500-3000 rpm. So try increasing rpm at cruise, and shifting at a higher rpm. With the OD five speed you may need a lower geared rear end. Most old cars with manual OD transmissions used as low as 4.11 rear axle ratios. This car originaly had a three speed OD trans that I ran with the 4.0L and a 3.31 rear axle. That combo worked great -- though it feels a lot better with the 3.55. I was looking for 3.31 gears when I ran across a good used set of 3.55 gears... close enough!
Hello I have just put in the adjustable map sensor circuit.....it works.....but question is.........how do I determine where to put the adjustable voltage at........not too lean or not too rich and either way damage engine?
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EGR vacuum solenoid. if you haven't checked it, do it now. there's hot gas from the exhaust i believe that clog up the tiny filter inside. i looked for weeks on end for a " vacuum" leak. this was the cause. try it out.
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