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vpd66 03-03-2013 10:19 AM

Singer 111w155 problem
 
I have a Singer 111w155 that I've been doing some small projects with (tractor seat cover, leather cell phone case, and etc), but I keep having a problem with it. It sews fine but I keep getting extra loops of thread around the bobbin case. I tried thread tensioning and I'm 100% sure that I'm treading the machine correctly and the needle is in correct. I'm ready to take it in to a shop and have it looked at. I'm located in central Wisconsin and looking for a good mechanic to take a look at it. Dan, have you ever had any dealings with Ariel in Wausau? I've been buying needles and tread there and the owner seems to know what he is talking about. He says he has been in the business for over 30 some years.

DanTwoLakes 03-03-2013 01:53 PM

I take all my repair work to Cody at Industrial Sewing Systems in Janesville. I didn't know there was anybody in Wausau. Where are they located? If the machine sews fine for a while, almost 100% of the time, there is something that you are doing wrong to cause the problem. When does it normally happen? Where are you located in Wisconsin?

vpd66 03-03-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes (Post 1653019)
I take all my repair work to Cody at Industrial Sewing Systems in Janesville. I didn't know there was anybody in Wausau. Where are they located? If the machine sews fine for a while, almost 100% of the time, there is something that you are doing wrong to cause the problem. When does it normally happen? Where are you located in Wisconsin?

I'm just east of Wausau. Ariel Vacuum and Sewing 624 N 3rd ave, Wausau, WI 715-842-1696 has been there has long has I can remember and I moved to Wausau in 1976. I bought B92 "Sunguard" bonded polyester and B69 bonded nylon thread and needles for my Singer there last spring when I bought my machine. He had a Consew 226r that he doing some repair on the safety clutch. So I know he must know something about these compound walking foot machines. Like I said, I bought my Singer last year (got it for a good price) from a guy in Merrill that told me his Dad got it from the Weinbrenner shoe factory. He didn't have a needle or thread and just plugged it in and ran the machine for me. I bought new thread and needle and began sewing with it. My prior sewing experience is with regular home owner sewing machines. I've had this problem with the machine since I started using it and at first I thought it was me doing something wrong. Now after doing small projects with it for almost a year and still having the problem I'd like to have the machine looked at and tuned up. I'm 99% sure it isn't me. I've read a bunch of posts and played around with it enough that I think it is something with the machine. The machine doesn't do it all the time. I'd say about 50% of the time.

DanTwoLakes 03-04-2013 07:17 AM

O.K., but when does it do it? When you first start up sewing, after you've sewn for a while, when?

vpd66 03-04-2013 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes (Post 1653262)
O.K., but when does it do it? When you first start up sewing, after you've sewn for a while, when?

The machine sews fine and everything looks good until you lift the foot and needle to remove the piece I'm sewing. I try to pull the material out and it comes out hard. There is about 4 pieces of thread instead of 2 under the material. One is the top thread, one is the bobbin thread, then there is 2 extra threads that are wound around the underside of the bobbin case. At first I thought it was just me, but after using this machine for almost a year I'm pretty sure it isn't me and now its starting to annoy me. Yesterday I went to sew a 1" square piece of velcro to a piece of 2oz leather. It was such a small sewing job I decided to just handwheel the machine. I held the top and bobbin thread for the first inch and it sewed great until I went to remove the piece and I had the old 4 pieces of thread under the material. I cut the top and bobbin thread and removed the material I was sewing and the 2 extra threads were wound tight under the bobbin case. I has to remove the foot plate and the 2 very small bobbin hold down screws and remove the bobbin case to get the tangled thread out (total pain in the ***). So a two minute sewing job turned into a 2 hour event by the time I was done. When I got this machine before I started sewing with it I was oiling it and noticed some thread coming from under the bobbin case, so I pulled the bobbin case and there must have been about 2 yards of old thread wound around the bobbin shaft under the bobbin case. I cleaned it out and started to sew with it. So I think whoever was sewing with the machine before me had the same problem.
Now that I think of it, one of the largest trim shops in Wausau was only 2 blocks to the north of Ariel (Wausau trim shop). The owner (I believe his name was Ray Thorne) retired in the late 80s and had the business for sale, but ended up just selling the building and now there is a music studio there. Janesville is quite a haul to get your machines serviced, even for me!

DanTwoLakes 03-04-2013 08:53 AM

Sounds like the machine is a tiny bit out of time. This would be a good time to take the head in and have it checked for timing, setting both tensions, and checking for worn or broken parts. They should have a test stand to drop the head into. Let me know if Ariel can do that, it would save me an extra 2 1/2 hour drive. Most places are lost if you bring them an industrial machine.

vpd66 03-04-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes (Post 1653328)
Sounds like the machine is a tiny bit out of time. This would be a good time to take the head in and have it checked for timing, setting both tensions, and checking for worn or broken parts. They should have a test stand to drop the head into. Let me know if Ariel can do that, it would save me an extra 2 1/2 hour drive. Most places are lost if you bring them an industrial machine.

I agree about it being slightly out of time. I actually checked the timing according to the manual and I come up with the marks about 3/32" off. When the takeup arm is all the way up the marks don't quite line up. I don't know how to correct it. Like I said, last year I was at Ariel and he was working on a Consew 226R, so must know something about them. If I can't figure it out I think I'll take it to him.

DanTwoLakes 03-04-2013 10:38 AM

The Consew 226R is a clone of the Singer 111W. The machine is in time when the hook is going past the middle of the scarf of the needle when the needle bar is at the bottom of it's travel. You have to loosen the needle bar to be able to adjust it up and down. Before you do anything, replace the needle with a new one, and make sure the needle is all the way up as far as it will go in the needle bar, and that the scarf is facing to the right. Then I'd suggest you take it in anyway.

vpd66 03-04-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes (Post 1653380)
The Consew 226R is a clone of the Singer 111W. The machine is in time when the hook is going past the middle of the scarf of the needle when the needle bar is at the bottom of it's travel. You have to loosen the needle bar to be able to adjust it up and down. Before you do anything, replace the needle with a new one, and make sure the needle is all the way up as far as it will go in the needle bar, and that the scarf is facing to the right. Then I'd suggest you take it in anyway.

I have a brand new needle in it and I've double checked that its in all the way up. I know I have the scarf to the right as I reversed it to try it and it didn't sew at all! I have the book "Compound Feed Walking Foot Machines Maintenance-Repair-Troubleshooting" and I'll have time tomarrow mourning to pull it out and do some checking. I agree, I should just take it in, but I'm just a hobby guy and not making a living with it, so if I can fix it myself it would save me a bunch. I can see someone in your shoes taking it in to get it working right because you depend on your machines to make a living.
I'll play with it some and if I can't get it figured out I'll take it to Ariel. I found the business card he gave me and his name is Mike Mosure. He is the owner and seemed like he knew what he was talking about.

DanTwoLakes 03-04-2013 01:31 PM

Thanks for the info. I have to go to Wausau this afternoon, so I'll look for the shop.

DanTwoLakes 03-05-2013 08:44 AM

Found the shop and talked with Mike, who assured me he could handle my machines. I'm going to take him a Singer 212W140 double needle machine to work on.

vpd66 03-05-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes (Post 1653718)
Found the shop and talked with Mike, who assured me he could handle my machines. I'm going to take him a Singer 212W140 double needle machine to work on.

Thats great! I hope it works out for you. I played with my machine this mourning and adjusted the timing, but ran out of time to test it. I'll test it tomarrow mourning and see how it sews.

DanTwoLakes 03-05-2013 01:17 PM

BTW, I also talked to him about your machine, and he agreed that it was a timing problem.

duh57 03-05-2013 09:31 PM

I believe it is timing, try to retard the hook about 5 degrees and make sure the needle is all the way up before removing material. The hook might be catching the next stitch , witch might account for the 4 threads. Some time it is the looper spring tension its to tight there is two adjustments on this spring , its very hard to explain check the manual for this. Learn your machine its will save $$ Remember when you lift the feet it releases the upper tension , this will draw the thread into the bobbin and wrap it around it.


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