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Old 09-05-2010, 11:52 AM
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Singer 251-2

Hey folks, I'm new to interior work but looking forward to a productive winter in my garage.

I've been scouting machines on Craigs list and such. Perhaps a few of you veterans can clarify for me that I'm looking for the right thing here.

I want to try doing seat covers and curtains. Canvas and perhaps one day leather....but for now after reading the forums here I get the impression that I'll need a walking foot of sufficient quality but I'm not sure which models have walking feet. Been researching them but its not clear to me yet.

In my area I've found a lot of Singer 211 and 251-2 in my price range. So my question is, are these both walking foot machines?

Also, how do you feel about one of these for a newb to the art?

Looking forward to your feedback.

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Chaz

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You remind me of myself when I first became interested in upholstery work. I didn't know what to do and purchased 3 before I found what I really needed. What you want is a walking foot compound feed sewing machine. The Singer 111w155 is the standard that walking foots are judged by. This machine was so good that 20 or better companies cloned it. It goes through 1/2 inch sew foam without a problem. Do a Google and read all about it. The 251-2 looks to be for more like clothing and furniture upholstery to me. Automotive upholstery is a way different animal.
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One other thing to add - the Singer 111W and it's clones will go through 1/2 inch sew foam without a problem. That is the material you will use to sew onto the upholstery material you are using. It seems that anything else with a conventional feed will not handle sew foam especially household machines. I believed all of those guys on eBay and found out better. I purchased a Singer Model 66 and tried sew foam with that. It was a "no go" that lead to failure. As Dan would say, " any machine will sew 2 pieces of leather together. But once it is glued onto a piece of sewfoam it will not work."
So look into 111W155 or a Consew 225 or one of it's clones.
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I beleive the singer 211 is a later version of the 111 using the same walking foot. You mentioned you saw some of those in your price range so that might be an option. Research the 211 to be sure though.
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I beleive the singer 211 is a later version of the 111 using the same walking foot..............
That is correct. The 211 would work fine for you. There are 4 variations on the 211A, the 157, the 165, the 166, and the 967. The "A" means it was manufactured in Anderson, South Carolina. The 157 goes faster than the rest and has a smaller recommended needle, but has less lift for the foot than the rest of them, which all use larger recommended needles.
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That is correct. The 211 would work fine for you.
What is the difference?
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Look at my earlier post again, I must have been typing when you were. The 211 also had options for an automatic thread trimmer, and automatic back tacking.
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Sounds like a nice machine.
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I can't thank you folks enough for the kind feedback. Its just the sort of reinforcement I was looking for. I'm going to have to learn by doing and making mistakes. But your advice may have already saved me a few. I'll try and get back and let you know how the rest of the story goes.

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Thank You! I'm glad you learned. I spent money on machines due to my ignorance. Remember, the bottom line is "walkng foot compound feed" for automotive upholstery.
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