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Old 09-17-2010, 04:09 PM
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SS metallic dosn't even come close to the look of BC/CC because no matter what you do it wont dry quick enough and the metalics wont stand up they always lay down because the paints wet...BC on the other hand drys quick and you can stand them up so theres a BIG difference in the way they reflect light...
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I sprayed my SS dryer like a basecoat, the metallic was hard to
control so I sprayed it like a basecoat knowing the clear
would give the gloss back. Made it much easier to control.
Kirker even has an additive just for that, but I didn't use it.

Basecoat is opaque, it covers in just a few coats.
You don't see through it.
The SS I used took about 12 coats to cover, why?,
Because it's very transparent (it's clear with a color added basically).
It gives a candy look because of the transparent color coats,
that's why candy has more depth, that's why my single stage has
more depth. Basecoat can't do that. Not even close.

Barry did not recommend clearcoating single stage,
he only recommended the procedure on how to.

Many restoration shops in the US use single stage with a
clear coat. And their reason is the color and depth.
You'd be surprised at how many show cars are done that way
and you didn't even know it.

Barry: According to the National Forrestry Agency of the US,
trees are growing more each year than the harvest rate.
At this rate we'll be over run with trees in just a few years (LOL)
So use more paper.

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My SS paint.
The picture doesn't do it justice.
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I sprayed my SS dryer like a basecoat, the metallic was hard to
control so I sprayed it like a basecoat knowing the clear
would give the gloss back. Made it much easier to control.
Kirker even has an additive just for that, but I didn't use it.

JC..lets see if I can explain this so everyone can understand.(its a real challenge with my 9th grade education and my 3yr old grand daughter playing with the buttons) but here goes...
I agree thats how it would be done if I ever used a SS "METALLIC"
A base coat is much easier and faster do that with "metallics"and takes much less material (mills,thickness)

Basecoat is opaque, it covers in just a few coats.
You don't see through it.
The SS I used took about 12 coats to cover, why?,
Because it's very transparent (it's clear with a color added basically).

Agreed I stated the same thing earier.

It gives a candy look because of the transparent color coats,
that's why candy has more depth, that's why my single stage has
more depth.

agreed


Basecoat can't do that. Not even close.

This is where I dissagree and where a base coat intermix comes in ...it's basicly a clear base coat that you can add the metallic base to to get the transarency.again it drys quick so the metallics stay suspended...its what "tri coats and real candies use and where you put the pearls and what not in..but you make it yourself usually two coats of this ,more if needed...This is where you get the depth with a base coat.
If you put ss metalic or pearls in clear it would be very difficult to control the suspention and eveness most of it will lay down and settle to the bottom of the clear coat loosing the "POP"


Barry did not recommend clearcoating single stage,
he only recommended the procedure on how to.

Theres nothing wrong with clear coating SS it works very well getting depth I also do it ...buy ONLY with Solid colors and top notch paints...doing it with cheaper paints like the Nason I like for regular cars is wasting labor...if I do that much work it has to look the best it possibly can ....

Many restoration shops in the US use single stage with a
clear coat. And their reason is the color and depth.
You'd be surprised at how many show cars are done that way
and you didn't even know it.

like I said I do it too but ONLY with solid color SS

Barry: According to the National Forrestry Agency of the US,
trees are growing more each year than the harvest rate.
At this rate we'll be over run with trees in just a few years (LOL)
So use more paper.
I'm doing my part ,I just took a big dump and use a half a roll off TP .....feels like I just lost 15 lbs

In over view sure you can do an inter mix with a SS paint but why would anyone want too if you can get better results in half the time???
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Heres the last car I did using BC/CC its solid black (not metalic) with an inter mix (black base mixed with clear) making a transparent middle coat) then two coats of SPI clear .... after all it dried I sanded it all down and let it sit a week then applied two more coats of clear..Sorry no pics I sold the car before it was done and had to rush finishing it up I never even drove it... but pics cant show the depth ...keep in mind these pics only show what it looked like before I sanded it and recleared it...the paint job sold the car. before it was finished...
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The first pic is the point where it was sold.The hockey stripe wasnt even painted on yet...

second one is one of my favorites it looks like the hood has scoops but its the filters in the ceiling of the booth....it does give me ideas for the hood on the 68 I'm doing...

the others show how hard it is to get a good pics when you have an old POS camera and dont know what your doing .....They never give it justice,,,and you cant see depth...Plus look how ugly I look ,I'm really quite handsome....
and have the body of a GOD.......Budda....
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not against basecoat.
It's all I use in my daily collision repairs.
I love basecoat, it's definetly the easiest one to use.
And it does look great.

I painted cars with lacquer in the 1970's,
then in the 1980's I switched to enamel.
I used clear with both of them at times, other times not.
I went to basecoat in 1990 and have been useing it since.
I have probably screwed up every combination you can think up.
I'm not an expert, but I learn (most times)
For customer cars, it's always basecoat.
I screw it up less often.
But for my own, I really like the way the urethane looked
and holds up.
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LOL, I'm an expert ....at screwing up....I too like SS urethane with urethane clear....but only with solid colors ...but Like I said before I didnt even know that you could get a high quality SS metalic ...and candies and candy effects take long enough using bases ....Plus a lot of people want it but very few want to pay for all that extra work..
The hot rod culture around here is pretty lame...thats one of the things I miss most about Fla.,,,you cant drive 10-15 min.without seeing a nice car drive by and thats on the way to work...
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