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Old 02-01-2014, 12:21 PM
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The smallest amount of damage you will ever see total a BMW 528i

This was a goodie, we got this BMW towed in from a mechanical shop in town. He had pulled the suspension and found the cracked aluminum strut tower. Now mind you folks, there isn't so much as a scratch on this car! ALL the damage was the right front suspension which hit a curb. No sub frame damage, nothing. Just the right front suspension components and this cracked strut tower.

The repair of the suspension with all new, knuckle, hub, control arms, strut, the whole deal, with all new BMW parts labor and all was like $1800. The car is worth about $18k. To repair these few inches of cracks, almost $10k! The apron needs to be replaced (by the standards we have to adhere to here in California) it's "only" $1500 but it takes another $2000 in rivets, (the rivet gun is $6000!) adhesive, cleaner, and misc other components needed. Beside the whole front of the car has to be stripped, the piece goes from the firewall to rad support. This design was only used 2 years, gee I wonder why?







Man I love driving my Rambler.

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How much is the salvage value you think?
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You are not going to believe it, it was only $2700! I don't understand this, crap we had a Lexus a while ago that was a few years old that was hit HARD in the side behind the front wheel mashing the cowl bad, it salvaged for $13K!

We were VERY surprised it went for so little.

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They don't have tig welders in cali
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Sounds like the insurance adjuster really wanted a $2700 Beemer in his garage - especially if he is an accomplished DIYer or else has a side business repairing 'totalled' luxury cars for the 'hood.

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They don't have tig welders in cali
We follow the manufacturers guidelines and that wouldn't be repaired, it would be replaced.

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Sounds like the insurance adjuster really wanted a $2700 Beemer in his garage - especially if he is an accomplished DIYer or else has a side business repairing 'totalled' luxury cars for the 'hood.

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They adjuster didn't buy it, the owner of the other shop did. My boss has known this adjuster for 25 years and he is a straight up guy. The fact that the repairs were being done at two different shops was the guys biggest concern, the insurance company warrantying both repairs is tough.

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I didn't see an answer to if their was tig welders in Cali?
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I didn't see an answer to if their was tig welders in Cali?
Yes there are, but as per ICAR and more importantly manufacturers repair guidelines they get replaced. Just like buckled frame rails, they get replaced.

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We follow the manufacturers guidelines and that wouldn't be repaired, it would be replaced.

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ya, ok.. I've never know a shop to straightn a panel that the insurance wrote for a replacement.. na that never happens either..
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That NEVER, EVER, EVER has happened where I work in the 12 years I have been here. We have also NEVER, EVER, EVER used a used or aftermarket and charged an OEM price. We don't play those games and that is one reason why I have been here for 12 years. I don't like playing those stupid games.

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That NEVER, EVER, EVER has happened where I work in the 12 years I have been here. We have also NEVER, EVER, EVER used a used or aftermarket and charged an OEM price. We don't play those games and that is one reason why I have been here for 12 years. I don't like playing those stupid games.

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....and exactly why I'll never ever use the body shop that did a major repair on a Toyota pickup that my daughter got T-boned in several years ago. They tried to use a knock off Taiwan door and front fender and a junk rear axle after pricing for OEM. OOPS - I 'busted' them on that. The worst part - the owner WAS but no longer is, a good friend.

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....and exactly why I'll never ever use the body shop that did a major repair on a Toyota pickup that my daughter got T-boned in several years ago. They tried to use a knock off Taiwan door and front fender and a junk rear axle after pricing for OEM. OOPS - I 'busted' them on that. The worst part - the owner WAS but no longer is, a good friend.

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I was just talking to a guy who use to be a bodyman here who is now an adjuster. He told me of a few he has seen, it's damn funny how much they think they can get away with. But what is sad is how much they DO get away with because there is simply not a whole lot anyone can do to catch them. But I have known a few, I am proud today I was instrumental in getting a shop closed in the area and charged with insurance fraud. Nothing disgusts me more than a liar or a thief.

And without a doubt this is one of the biggest reasons I have stayed where I work. We are talking it's the kind of place a customer comes in with a complaint and I simply put them in a rental car and take car of the problem! If this costs us hundreds of dollars, that's just tough, the customer comes first, end of story. It is so nice to be able to work like this, I never even have to think about it, what is the RIGHT thing to do, that is all I have to ask myself and then do it, they will be happy with my decision.

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That NEVER, EVER, EVER has happened where I work in the 12 years I have been here. We have also NEVER, EVER, EVER used a used or aftermarket and charged an OEM price. We don't play those games and that is one reason why I have been here for 12 years. I don't like playing those stupid games.

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Good for You,, it's very hard to find a shop that won't fudge things.. hell it's hard to get the insurance comp to write for oem parts. My dad would always shake his head.. when they'd write for used parts on a new car.. because the body was a carry over..
It's also sad, because there is tons of panels/parts that can be saved that are not..
When I bought my '82 t/a that was light hit in nose, took core support no frame damage.. when it hit the pole dead center.. I asked him to come over and help install the new core support.. he got here, and took out hammers and dollies and straightened the one on car.. something that could be done to almost all cars but isn't it's cut it out and install a replacement.. silly really, it's not like the high strength steel used in selective places on cars.. that you should replace as it's los it's strength after it's been folded.. That bmw will be back on road with a tigged strut tower.. as that's as strong if not stronger than oem..

And totaling it out for that is a waste of resources and energy..
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The most important thing we need to ask ourselves when we are repairing a damaged car in the shop is this...

"Will it perform the same the next time it's in an accident?"

That is the key question, can we "repair" it is secondary. Sure we could pull out that buckled frame rail and make it straight again, it's a no brainer, but will it perform the same the next time it's hit? The answer is usually no it won't, it's compromised and it won't perform the same. This tower is like that, it's cast, if it's bent up as it is with the metal separated, just bending it back and welding it does not put it back to pre-accident condition. What about where the bends are allowing it to go up and separate, what has happened to the material there? It has to be compromised at that point. Will it perform the same the next time? Nope it won't, so it gets replaced.

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