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Old 11-08-2008, 09:07 AM
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Wherever they are made, the fact is that Snap-ons quality has deteriorated steadily over the years..about ten years ago a snap-on dealer told me that he was replacing ratchet heads on new ratchets after 2-3 years of use, and told us that 20 year old ratchets were requiring much less warranty service.

I never liked the sales tactics of S-O anyway, hooking all the youngsters into buying tools using the truck account..like tool pushers.

Craftsman quality has declined much faster.

Matco tools seem to be holding on to their quality, and if I'm going to buy something new, I call my matco guy.

Taps and dies and drill bits and end mills are consumable, even with the best care, and I don't think should even be warranted.

Otherwise, I put my money in swapmeet tools, the older tools are much better, and the cost is much lower, and I can have 3 old tools for the price of a new one. ( I like having multiples of each tool anyway, it's always easy to find at least one of what you need..I'm not real tidy.)

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Wherever they are made, the fact is that Snap-ons quality has deteriorated steadily over the years..about ten years ago a snap-on dealer told me that he was replacing ratchet heads on new ratchets after 2-3 years of use, and told us that 20 year old ratchets were requiring much less warranty service.
Yeah, I'm note sure I agree on that one.... Snap On is using better and stronger alloys today than before, and the manufacturing standards have gotten better with the advancement in technology... The reason the new ratchets are needing service before the older is the 80 teeth are more likely to be fragile than the prior 30 (I think it was 30) tooth versions.. this is cause the teeth are obviously finer. With that said, they still replace or repair it for free.

Apart from a handful of German tools, most of my tool box (including the box) is US made Snap-On, and no complains.
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Whats "Made in Japan" got to do with cheap Chinese junk? Look at Jap products, they are neither poorly made (Toyota, Sony, etc,) nor CHEAP!! Back in the 50's and early 60's Japan got the rep for making junk but that time has long since past and they have gone to great lengths to improve quality, "made in Japan" means quality not junk.
The bad thing is the fact that so many US citizens see "Made In The USA" as something to run away from. Even worse is the fact that they pretty much have every reason to do so. "Made In The USA" used to mean either the best, or certainly at the top as far as quality was concerned. US companies and corporations used to take pride in the items they produced, now it's all about the bottom dollar and only the bottom dollar. Wall street and the other greed mongers can be thanked for that. US workers want or need too much money is their battle cry, take your manufacturing overseas where there is cheap, slave labor. Now we have figure head companies with no manufacturing here or getting rid of what they have here, importing cheap junk for maximum profits. Our country is bleeding jobs, quality is crap, but they're getting rich. Sad but what can be said, I guess that's just the way it is.
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I remember right after the 9-11 thing, looking at a major retail store a hat that said "proud to be made in the usa" and looking on the inside tag and saying made in china.
LOL, that is so pathetic. There are more US citizens now *****ing about the amount of money and benefits UAW workers get than the fact that more and more companies are closing down shop here and sending their operations overseas so they DON'T have to pay U.S. workers a decent fair wage, let alone benefits. Where in the hell is patriotism when crap like that is going on? Our country is losing jobs like can't be imagined, it's going to hell, but the few at the top are getting filthy rich causing it? Sad
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Which is probably the same that will happen to the Chinese "Junk"............

We westerners think of China and many other countries as backwards and primitive........Such is not the case anymore.......So much for 3rd world.............
Unfortunately they still are. That's why all of our manufacturing jobs are being sent there. If they didn't have such a large, poor, lacking in education, mass of people, or had a government that was the least bit concerned for them we wouldn't be in the sad situation we are now. China and India both have over a billion people and a hell of a lot of those people are poor and destitute, cheap labor and a lot of it. Another kicker is the fact that as you say, not all of them are backwards and primitive. Those are the people now getting our IT, communication's, sit on your butt type jobs that are beginning their flow over there as well, the second wave of US job loses, moving into the white collar group.
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30 years ago manufacturing was 25% of the economy, and banks and insurance companies were less than 10%. Now banks and insurance companies are 20%, and manufacturing is less than 10%.
Sadly some people see that as a good thing.
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How much of that quality makes it over here? Everything I have that proudly displays make in China has turned out to be junk. The screw driver set I got for Christmas was made in china and its going into the trash when the wife isn't looking. I would rather pay twice the price then have it snap off the first time you use it. I have already rounded off 2 of the Phillips heads.
Exactly, none of it. Even the Chinese people over there who are being taken advantage of realize what the deal is so why should they be concerned about the quality of the product they're making to be sent over here. Their government, that doesn't like us anyway, sure as hell don't care about what junk or contaminated crap is being sent over here. If our own companies are willing to sell it to us why should they care?
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Are any of those screwdrivers from Japan? I never said the Chinese stuff was good, it's junk. The Jap stuff is a whole 'nother story!
The only reason you or so many people see "Made In Japan" as such a wonderful thing is because you're evidently too young to remember how good "Made In The U.S.A." used to be.
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It's an American thing... we have VP candidates that can't tell you the 3 countries that make up N. American, or that South Africa is a country with in the continent of Africa.

But, I digress... I registered in here just to say this, so sorry to revive an old thread, but I think it makes more sense than to make a new one since there is a lot of misinformation in here about Snap On and USA made.

99% of all Snap-On hand tools are made in the USA. Exceptions are rare, such as the electric screw driver, and the 4-piece adapter box for the SOEX (open end/ratcheting end) wrenches (which themselves are 100% US Made).

Blue Point is Snap-On's over seas made brand, most of which is made in Taiwan (not China), and some of which is indeed made in China, and other usually 3rd world countries.


As someone who tries his best to buy American made first, and when nothing of sufficient quality exists, German, UK, Italian, Japanese, etc.. substitutes, I can tell you that you can pretty much rest assured that if Snap On say's on the box it's made in the USA, it is. I strongly believe that if it weren't for the powerful influence of corporate lobbies (Walmart, etc), there would be no trade relationship with the Godless Communists in China.. but money talks and everything else walks.

Btw, I found in the pliers business, the Germans (Knipex) are king, and in the screw driver business, a good alternative to the great Snap-On's is Whia, also German.
You are my hero! I logged on here trying to find out if Snap On tools are still made in the USA because I need to buy a torque wrench. The end of your fifth paragraph hits the nail on the head. Thank you.
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I've had no problems with my SnapOn stuff, but it's old,so probably made in the US. BUT,in the last 2 months, I've had 2 Craftsman drill bits break on me. These were both 1/2 in bits,(shanked) from the $99.00 Cobalt set. Last year my wife bought me the small set of Cobalt bits, and I decided I would"kick it up a notch" and go with the bigger set. No problems with any of them 'till I decided to use the 1/2 bit. It was in a press, working a flat piece of 18 ga. sheet metal, clamped down. I had been stepping up the hole sizes to get to 1/2". As soon as the bit contacted the material, a piece about 1/2" long went zinging off my face shield. I returned it to Sears and they replaced it. Yesterday, I ATTEMPTED to use the new one, and same ****. Took it back today, ( single bit lists for $16.99)THEY BEGRUDGINGLY REPLACED IT, after talking to 3 people and some asswipe kid tells me they aint warranted "cause theyre drill bits and break all the time." I politely explain to the lad that unless theyre being abused or used by a moron, drill bits don't "break all the time". I realize $16.99 is not a staggering figure, but I was told in no uncertain terms they wont replace any more of my bits.I have used the rest of the set with no problems, only with the 1/2". "Nuff said, I think I have visited Sears for the last time.
Another of the downfalls of our pro business, make maximum profits anyway you can mindset. It used to be you had concerned, knowledgeable full time sales people who earned decent pay with benefits. Now major retail is all a part time world, crap pay, no benefits, usually young arrogant kids who don't give a damn, and really why should they. Sad
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US based and expanding their global markets. http://www.entrepreneur.com/franchis.../282805-0.html

I know OCC buit them a chopper and delivered it to their plant in Wisconsin. All I know is have snap on tools that are still good after 35 years of use. I torture my tools. I have had problems with the composite screwdriver handles but they have always repaired them without question.
Fortunately that's just companies or people wanting to be dealers (sellers) not manufacturers. I hope, but it wouldn't surprise me if that changes.
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Wherever they are made, the fact is that Snap-ons quality has deteriorated steadily over the years..about ten years ago a snap-on dealer told me that he was replacing ratchet heads on new ratchets after 2-3 years of use, and told us that 20 year old ratchets were requiring much less warranty service.

I never liked the sales tactics of S-O anyway, hooking all the youngsters into buying tools using the truck account..like tool pushers.

Craftsman quality has declined much faster.

Matco tools seem to be holding on to their quality, and if I'm going to buy something new, I call my matco guy.

Taps and dies and drill bits and end mills are consumable, even with the best care, and I don't think should even be warranted.

Otherwise, I put my money in swapmeet tools, the older tools are much better, and the cost is much lower, and I can have 3 old tools for the price of a new one. ( I like having multiples of each tool anyway, it's always easy to find at least one of what you need..I'm not real tidy.)

Later, mikey

Sadly the quality of everything is going down as a result of the "money is the only thing that matters" mindset by our business community, which is driven and enforced by wall street and the stock market crowd. I'll have to take a look at Matco's torque wrenches. Thanks for the heads up.
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"made in the USA?"

A few years ago, David Letterman did a one-liner as a part of his monologue - he mentioned something about "the American way - quick & sleazy with an eye to the fast buck!"

Ranks up there with the joke about the guy getting minor surgery and is asked if he wanted a local anesthetic, and he replied - "No I can afford the best - get me something imported"

Tragically, for it to be funny, there has to be at least a tiny grain of truth in it.

There are mainly two types of buyers - those want low cost above all, and those who want "the best"

The ones who want low cost shop at Wallyworld and get Chinese stuff. The ones who want "the best" are prone to buying Japanese or European for the status.

When did you last buy a US-made watch? Stereo gear & electronics? Optics (cameras & binoculars etc)?

Sorry guys - we have the ol' vicious circle here - the public doesn't buy US made because it is neither cheap nor status, so the companies can't sell the stuff, so the options decrease, and then......
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When did you last buy a US-made watch? Stereo gear & electronics? Optics (cameras & binoculars etc)?

More importantly, do they even make this stuff in the U.S. anymore?


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