[chuckyishere]

on my 1950 dodge coronet there is some kind of relay that has wires coming from the coil its mounted on a bracket thats is on the head it is a flat head inline six when that relay clicks it drops the volt meter down to discharge and now there is a no start condition any advise

[Joe G]

I can't think of what relay would be mounted to the head and wired to the coil....

Has this car been converted to 12 volts?

Are you sure it's a relay?

Is it connected to the carb, like maybe it's some sort of automatic choke?

Can you post a picture of this relay, or find a picture of it on the internet and post a link to it? That would sure be helpful.

[chuckyishere]

here is a pic of the thing i thioght was a relay but im not sure what it is

[Hoptup32]

It looks like some type of circuit breaker. Whatever is connected to it may be tripping the breaker and that's the clicking noise you are hearing. If it is a circuit breaker, either it has gone bad or the load on it is too heavy or trying to shortout. If its connected to the coil, then that would explain the no-start condition.

[Joe G]

Looks like that device is part of the transmission controls. I went through a few old books and found some wiring diagrams:

Transmission related wiring:


This book also has about three pages describing how to troubleshoot this system, but I'm not about to transcribe the whole thing, sorry. But here's the info I believe you need:

from: "National Service Data"(1954):
Circuit Breaker Check: Connect test light to coil side of circuit breaker, and the other wire of the test light to ground. Turn ignition switch on. Test light should go on. If it does not, circuit breaker connections are loose or dirty, or circuit breaker needs to be replaced. If circuit breaker is clicking, there is a short in the red solenoid wire or brown anti-stall wire. Determine cause and correct condition.

Whole car wiring diagram:

(click to enlarge)

Hope this helps...
Joe

[chuckyishere]

thank you joe that is big help now i know where to start
thanks again
chuck

[chuckyishere]

after tracing wires from the cricuit breaker to the governor and solenoid on the trans i found frayed wires. I rewired the whole thing from governor and solenoid and interrupter switch up to the circuit breaker and resistor.It still snaps and wont start if i take the wire from the governor and hold it to the coil side of the circuit breaker it wants to start but that wire gets hot and volt meter drops all the way down to discharge bottoms out. There is only one wire coming from the governor up to the cricuit breaker the other wire on the breaker goes to the solenoid the wiring diagram i have shows a kick down switch and a anti stall solenoid on the carb which my car does not have have im at a total loss on this it was running fine up until this past wednesday

[Joe G]

Chuck,
I would double check all the grounds, first, if you haven't already.

After that, I would disconnect two wires: Disconnect (at the coil) the wire from the coil to the resistor, and also disconnect the wire at the circuit breaker that goes to the solenoid. Then see if the car will start.

If the engine does not start, then you know the problem is somewhere else, like the ignition system.

If the engine does start, then you know that one of the devices on the transmission is the culprit.

If this is the case, I would begin checking for stuck switches, most likely the one in the governor.

Glad I could help with the diagrams. Good luck...

[chuckyishere]

ok i disconected the wire from the coil to the resistor and the wire from the circuit breaker to solenoid and still didnt start breaker still pops so did reverse and disconected the wire from the coil to the breaker it didnt pop but still didnt start is it posible the coil went bad pulled out one spark plug has spark also pulled off the plug wires they all sparked now im really lost any help

[Joe G]

Originally Posted by chuckyishere

I disconnected...the wire from the circuit breaker to solenoid and...breaker still pops....

So the breaker still clicks with only the wires on the coil side and nothing on the other (solenoid) side? This seems to indicate that the circuit breaker has an internal short. So you'll have to find a different one or improvise with a modern circuit breaker.

As far as the starting problem goes, it could be a number of things. I would suggest starting a new thread.

[chuckyishere]

i replaced the coil and the engine started but it still clicks so i disconected it. i was able to move the car back and forth