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Old 10-21-2012, 08:11 PM
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"SOMEDAY" has finally come!

I'm FINALLY going to get an engine built for the truck after too many years of "analysis paralysis", false starts and 100 other excuses. It's off to the machine shop in the AM! The end product will be a 9.17 to 1 310 CID SBC using an '87 roller cam block with Speed Pro flat tops; Comp Cams XR264HR-10 roller cam, '062 L31 Vortec heads, Performer intake w/Q-jet and Doug Thorley Tri-Y headers. I could have done a 350 too but I wanted to see what I could squeeze out of a streetable 305. The cam and heads were literally a last second change. I was originally going with a ZZ4 cam and L30 heads but my SCR was going to be pushing 9.9 to 1. The ZZ4 cam gave up too much low end to a Ramjet or Vortec cam acording to DD2000 and I don't really want to have to buy premium, especially with a 34 gal. tank! FWIW DD2000 shows the XR264HR making nearly identical low end TQ to the Ramjet and Vortec cams, actually just a hair more but not enough to talk about.

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so what is it? 260 horse?350 torque?
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Sounds like a good streetable combination.
Will the heads support the lift of that cam?
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:33 PM
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so what is it? 260 horse?350 torque?
I really don't like to quote DD2000 numbers, they don't mean much but I use it to compare potential combinations to actual builds I have done (years ago) or other real world builds. I have been able to duplicate real world results pretty closely but DD is always a bit higher. If this turns out and runs decent I may pony up for some chassis dyno time after break in. It looks that good.

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Sounds like a good streetable combination.
Will the heads support the lift of that cam?
Definitely. Wouldn't want much more though.
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Awesome Best of luck. Looking forward to seeing your smokin tyres.
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Awesome Best of luck. Looking forward to seeing your smokin tyres.
You and me both!
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Hippie, I have a Comp Cams Hydraulic Roller cam for sale that would work perfectly in your build. It's the smallest of the line, .206 duration @.050 and .500 lift. It's in excellant shape with less than 1500 miles on it. I don't have anymore use for it so I'll let it go cheap. PM me if your interested.
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My c10 has a 305 performer cam w/ milled vortec 906 heads. A 305 for a daily powerplant is fine. Do not over cam a 305. Take advantage of its good points, the stroke and rod ratio. A big cam is going to place the band to high in the rpm range. Build the whole package to compliment. It will work well and perform.

Im set with a 3.73 gear and converter built by dynamic like the GNX style 3000stall. Very street friendly, and drives nice. Not slush box lose. A 2400-3000converter makes it fun.

260 hp is fun to cruise around and brake torque, nothing wrong with that. Plenty of good times with that.

In the recent years my 305 proved itself to last. So I supercharged it. Yowee, it has some power now at 10 psi.

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Spinn, not disagreeing, just curious on why you feel 1.63:1 is a good rod ratio.
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Good for a smooth daily drivin vehicle trying to pull with torque. Not saying it is good for a high winding drag set up.
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Hows the rod ratio in a 318 dodge?
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I'm FINALLY going to get an engine built for the truck after too many years of "analysis paralysis", false starts and 100 other excuses. It's off to the machine shop in the AM! The end product will be a 9.17 to 1 310 CID SBC using an '87 roller cam block with Speed Pro flat tops; Comp Cams XR264HR-10 roller cam, '062 L31 Vortec heads, Performer intake w/Q-jet and Doug Thorley Tri-Y headers. I could have done a 350 too but I wanted to see what I could squeeze out of a streetable 305. The cam and heads were literally a last second change. I was originally going with a ZZ4 cam and L30 heads but my SCR was going to be pushing 9.9 to 1. The ZZ4 cam gave up too much low end to a Ramjet or Vortec cam acording to DD2000 and I don't really want to have to buy premium, especially with a 34 gal. tank! FWIW DD2000 shows the XR264HR making nearly identical low end TQ to the Ramjet and Vortec cams, actually just a hair more but not enough to talk about.
my only question is why the machine work? Nothing wrong with a 305, but you have to scratch you head at spending money on a 305 when you can often get them for next to nothing with very little wear.

I'd just find a good cheap 305, do a "in the garage clean, hone, and rering" job on it and run it.
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my only question is why the machine work? Nothing wrong with a 305, but you have to scratch you head at spending money on a 305 when you can often get them for next to nothing with very little wear.

I'd just find a good cheap 305, do a "in the garage clean, hone, and rering" job on it and run it.

I'm building a 305 because I want to build a 305 and since I'm the guy paying the bills that's all the reason I need.
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A 305 is competent and will fit most peoples need. It is cool.

Fbird if you are supercharging a 305. I found that my 305 is making higher boost than it is supposed to. My guess is due to the small cam and displacement. Are you going with one of the blower cams you suggested?
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Hippie,
Sounds like a plan!
FWIW I like the Tri-Y Thorley's too. I've got a pair of 375Ys on a 350, and liked em so much that I bought another set coated to boot. The're thick enough that they don't have the "tinny" sound. There was'nt any problems with plug wires(straight plug heads), and had plenty of room near stock starter/steering.
Have 2-1/2" collector bolted to a 2-1/2" exhaust with Dynomax Sonic Turbo mufflers that aren't too loud at idle, but really make beautiful music when you floor it. Just don't do it near the Law.
Just some info you might be interested in about a couple of gaskets.
One pic is a Felpro 1406(what I plan to use), the other is a 1404. The 1404 is a bit wider in between the ports(where it might blow out), but could use some trimming at the top for better flow. Also added a pic of a copper gasket that I decided not to use, but if you like it I think I can find the PN.
I liked the 264 roller cam alot too for what looked like a great torque curve were you need it most often, but found that with a CR of 10.2:1 it would make my dynamic CR a little too high for todays gas(8.5:1)IMO.
I don't know how the Vortec ports match up with these gaskets/headers, but on my Edel. heads they leave a bit of an anti reversion dam at the bottom of the port which I liked too. Hope it helps.(testing new software for pics too)
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