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Most of those guns do come from the same place just like when you buy a Lincoln or a big Miller you are apt to find it with a Tweco, Bernard, Miller, etc, that's what I meant when I was referring to "off the shelf" items. This thing about Miller owning Hobart or Hobart owning Miller is just an urban legend and neither no more owns the other than Chevy owns Buick even though GM is their parent company, with the Hobart/Miller connection it is not even as close as that. The only reason it is worth mentioning is that usually, but not this time, the story goes that Hobart is just Miller's (or the other way around depending on who's story) "economy" line and as such is inferior. This then becomes important because it does a disservice to Hobart who builds a very good machine and they are no one's "second line" or "economy" model. When someone is shopping for a welder they need good solid info and should not be told they are settling for a "second line" machine when in this case it is simply not true.

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Heck, I didn't even know they were related.....Do they have a younger sister?
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Most of those guns do come from the same place just like when you buy a Lincoln or a big Miller you are apt to find it with a Tweco, Bernard, Miller, etc, that's what I meant when I was referring to "off the shelf" items. This thing about Miller owning Hobart or Hobart owning Miller is just an urban legend and neither no more owns the other than Chevy owns Buick even though GM is their parent company, with the Hobart/Miller connection it is not even as close as that. The only reason it is worth mentioning is that usually, but not this time, the story goes that Hobart is just Miller's (or the other way around depending on who's story) "economy" line and as such is inferior. This then becomes important because it does a disservice to Hobart who builds a very good machine and they are no one's "second line" or "economy" model. When someone is shopping for a welder they need good solid info and should not be told they are settling for a "second line" machine when in this case it is simply not true.
Yeah, I've heard lots of people refer to Hobart as Miller's economy line. Before I bought my Hobart 140, I read just about every review that is out on the internet. Seems that everyone who had one liked it and recommended it (for specific sizes mind you). Once I can spring for and have the need for a larger mig, I'll keep my HH140 spooled up with .023 wire and use it strictly as a sheetmetal rig.
The other thing that I've heard regarding the ITW buy out of Hobart was that they were not able to secure the rights for some of Hobart's high amp machines. Anyone know anything about that?
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Oldred mentioned the brands of guns such as Miller, Tweco, and Bernard.
I'm assuming a Miller has a Miller gun, but what is the difference between them all?
I'm happy with the gun on my Miller 180.
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The other thing that I've heard regarding the ITW buy out of Hobart was that they were not able to secure the rights for some of Hobart's high amp machines. Anyone know anything about that?

Part of the deal was that Hobart wold not produce machines over 250 Amps for a certain number of years, a competition thing, but I don't know for how many. For sure Hobart and Miller are competitors in the small machine market.
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Once I can spring for and have the need for a larger mig, I'll keep my HH140 spooled up with .023 wire and use it strictly as a sheetmetal rig.
You won't want it once you weld that sheet metal with the 220 unit.. Run the .023 wire in the bigger unit,And you will be hooked..
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You won't want it once you weld that sheet metal with the 220 unit.. Run the .023 wire in the bigger unit,And you will be hooked..

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You won't want it once you weld that sheet metal with the 220 unit.. Run the .023 wire in the bigger unit,And you will be hooked..
Or maybe I'll just be happy with my HH140 and my Lincoln arc welder. That's what my current funds dictate that I do.
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you guys ever use carbon arc? It sounds interesting...
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We are really getting of the original subject here. I have used a carbon arc to heat up some really large nuts to get them off of frozen bolts with a stick arc. Worked great and didn't deposit more metal like just using a rod and didn't stick. Other than that I haven't found any use for them in the car/welding world.
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We are really getting of the original subject here. I have used a carbon arc to heat up some really large nuts to get them off of frozen bolts with a stick arc. Worked great and didn't deposit more metal like just using a rod and didn't stick. Other than that I haven't found any use for them in the car/welding world.
thats something I heard too it'll heat a lug nut red hot real quick but you can do lots of other cool stuff to ...I'll start a thread about it,so I can learn more BTW heres two pics of my 50.00 220v welder that I bought around ten years ago,it was old as dirt then....anyone know its history? It still works like a dream ...one of the best I've used....
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you guys ever use carbon arc? It sounds interesting...


Interesting? You will lose interest in hurry once you start playing around with that thing. It may be interesting at first but it is really not much more than a curiosity and a noisy one at that. There just is no practical reason for one of the things today and that's why you don't see them around anymore, they may be ok for heating and maybe even brazing large heavy parts but overall they are not worth the effort and certainly not worth investing anything in. I am not sure it would be easy to even find the carbon rods anymore but I suppose the Airarc AC rods would be close to the same and a regular Airarc rod might work.


BTW, this is about the same thing that is in a big arc type search light.
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thats something I heard too it'll heat a lug nut red hot real quick but you can do lots of other cool stuff to

...I'll start a thread about it,so I can learn more

BTW heres two pics of my 50.00 220v welder that I bought around ten years ago,it was old as dirt then....anyone know its history? It still works like a dream ...one of the best I've used....
Hey, DBM, I'll look forward to that.
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if you use 110 mig welder

pre heat,preheat,preheat
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Here we go again....
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