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Old 06-14-2013, 08:20 AM
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Maybe acetone will do some damage,I don't know what all of this proves, this is sorta useless info. Maybe good for those who drive around with epoxy primer on their car.
absolutely useless to someone who knows diddle squat about paint .

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Ok, I understand what you are saying, and I agree, IF the film is fully cured. IF the film is a 2k that is fully cured, no chemical bond, but if it isn't fully cured or if it's a 1K there is a bond, correct?

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It would seem intuitive to reason so, but I can't give a definitive yes or no based on any specific knowledge I have.
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This is the point I was trying to make. We have a thread that was started for no good reason except to start a argument. We have learned nothing, everyone still has there own opinion,and anyone that read the post to learn something about painting has probably stopped in disgusts. Why does this have to happen. Who really cares what paint I use or what paint you use. If they dont like your favorite why do you even care. It's not a personal affront to you. If people would stop playing into this it would not last long.
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This is the point I was trying to make. We have a thread that was started for no good reason except to start a argument. We have learned nothing, everyone still has there own opinion,and anyone that read the post to learn something about painting has probably stopped in disgusts. Why does this have to happen. Who really cares what paint I use or what paint you use. If they dont like your favorite why do you even care. It's not a personal affront to you. If people would stop playing into this it would not last long.
First of all I don't care what paint you or anyone else, uses. Secondly, how is this an argument, to me it's more of a discussion. Perhaps if what your saying is true, that anyone that is wanting to learn something about paint has stopped reading this in disgust kinda tells me that your not interested in learning about paint, because apparently your still reading it.

I have all the respect in the world for Brian, "MartinSR", Lizer, and the others that are actively participating. To me this is important as what I'm trying to put across is what I have been taught to believe for many years, if what I believe is wrong, then I would like to know now so that I don't pass on the information any further. If it is correct, then the information can help people by explaining the value of properly prepping a vehicle, why and how it works. How things work with respect to paint to me is every bit as important as why balancing and blueprinting an engine is important, why correct steering geometry is important, etc.

I joined this site to learn, and yes, I do have opinions, we all do, sharing opinions is what furthers anything in any walk of life.

No argument here, just a willingness to better understand. Sorry if my craving for knowledge disgusts anyone here.

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This is the point I was trying to make. We have a thread that was started for no good reason except to start a argument. We have learned nothing, everyone still has there own opinion,and anyone that read the post to learn something about painting has probably stopped in disgusts. Why does this have to happen. Who really cares what paint I use or what paint you use. If they dont like your favorite why do you even care. It's not a personal affront to you. If people would stop playing into this it would not last long.
Funny thing is I started reading the post because the SPI epoxy I applied last Sept, is coming off with lacquer thinner when i rub a thinner soaked rag on the hood of my car. I would have never thought to have even tried it , if not for this thread.
Am I an amateur? Sure am.
Did I make a mistake?
Sure could have, probably did.
After eight pages of replies I am still not certain if epoxy coming of with thinner is even bad?
But there was no way I was jumping in with a question, give how irate people seem to get when SPI is the subject.
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If you feel threatened and don't want to ask a question concerning SPI, the performance of SPI, the performance of any material or product because people might get irate, I for one would do my best to assist you and defend you for asking a question.

I like SPI, it works and in comparison to what I had been using, I feel it works better...for me. Does that mean that it's the only product anyone should use....NO...why, they all work, some products just work better for some people.

As far as your SPI coming off on your hood with a thinner soaked rag, I would love to give you information that might put your mind at ease and if not hopefully give advice on how to avoid future problems. First of all, how much primer is coming off, is it enough to leave a mark on the primer? Or is it making the color of the thinner soaked rag the same color as the primer?

Would love to help if I can.

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Thanks would appreciate some help . Can i Pm you?
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By all means you can PM me, I'll be more than happy to help in any way I can...If you could just give me a few minutes...my PM box is getting full and I need to make room.

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Funny thing is I started reading the post because the SPI epoxy I applied last Sept, is coming off with lacquer thinner when i rub a thinner soaked rag on the hood of my car. I would have never thought to have even tried it , if not for this thread.
Am I an amateur? Sure am.
Did I make a mistake?
Sure could have, probably did.
After eight pages of replies I am still not certain if epoxy coming of with thinner is even bad?
But there was no way I was jumping in with a question, give how irate people seem to get when SPI is the subject.
When you bring up something bad about SPI, people get so offended like you **** on their grandmother's grave. Don't get me wrong, I use it, like it, and enjoy the service, and I've had some issues and when that happens I give Barry a call. No need to even come to this god forsaken place. Barry has heard every problem in the book by now, gets 100s of calls a week, and will know a solution for you. That's the SPI tech line.
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This is the point I was trying to make. We have a thread that was started for no good reason except to start a argument. We have learned nothing, everyone still has there own opinion,and anyone that read the post to learn something about painting has probably stopped in disgusts. Why does this have to happen. Who really cares what paint I use or what paint you use. If they dont like your favorite why do you even care. It's not a personal affront to you. If people would stop playing into this it would not last long.
as Ray alluded to, this thread evolved into an entirely different conversation, and most of it has been about how solvents work.
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When you bring up something bad about SPI, people get so offended like you **** on their grandmother's grave. Don't get me wrong, I use it, like it, and enjoy the service, and I've had some issues and when that happens I give Barry a call. No need to even come to this god forsaken place. Barry has heard every problem in the book by now, gets 100s of calls a week, and will know a solution for you. That's the SPI tech line.
Thanks I PMed 69 Widetrack with my issues and hopefully he has an answer. I don't know if the SPI tech line is the same as customer service?
I called their customer service line yesterday morning , got a recording so left a message about my problem ,but haven't heard back yet
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as Ray alluded to, this thread evolved into an entirely different conversation, and most of it has been about how solvents work.
No brand name has been mentioned in many posts, many pages even.

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i see only 3 people complaining. none of whom have contributed anything to the thread.
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Thanks I PMed 69 Widetrack with my issues and hopefully he has an answer. I don't know if the SPI tech line is the same as customer service?
I called their customer service line yesterday morning , got a recording so left a message about my problem ,but haven't heard back yet
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It goes straight to Barry's cell phone, 7 days a week, any reasonable hour of the day. He's on the phone a lot, if it goes to voicemail, if you leave a message you'll get a call back usually within 10-30 min.
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There is no real way to compare 30 year old paint to todays paint.

The stuff 30 years ago had a lot of good stuff in them that is no longer allowed.

Centari with glamour pak, most excellent in its day. Todays cat'd enamels don't hold a straw to it.

To make a comparision it needs to be todays tech vs todays tech.
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