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Old 12-18-2006, 05:22 AM
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SPI primer and clear, a product review, and a "how not to"

short version, a friends car got hit while it was parked in a lot, and she asked me to repair it, i sent her out with a list of everything she would need for a FULL repaint, as she wanted to attend to all the little stuff on the car, along with the newly damaged bumper, rear 1/4 and drivers door.

the plan was that she buys everything with my supervision, i spend a few days doing a full repair / prep job on the car (while teaching another friend the basics of bodywork) and then i have a former coworker of mine paint the car (mask off glass & rubber, wipe car, paint)

one of the places i sent her was to SPI for the needed primer and clearcoat, and Barry was nice enough to answer all my questions, make suggestions, and enter it all into the computer under my friends name so she could simply call w/ her CC # and ship the stuff out

before i got to fix the car, and before she even had all the materials, she spent some of the $ on other bills, leaving her with not enough $ to even fix the hit / run damage

i then basicly agreed to do ALL the repair & prepwork for nearly nothing, but b4 i could start someone else quoted her $500 for a FULL EXTERIOR REPAINT, and i couldnt talk her out of it, i explained the cost of the still unpurchased supplies, and pointed out that he would have to steal supplies to do a full repaint at that price ... but she wouldnt listen

well, for $500 in labor, plus the gallon of SPI clear & the gallon of SPI primer, she got back a $100 repair job with a $100 paint job, and no left over paint supplies ... the basketball sized dent in the 1/4 panel was left untouched, and he only painted 2 of the 3 panels damaged in the accident!!!

but now i know your wondering "how did the SPI products work out?"

well, despite having Earl Sheib JR paint the car, the clear (in and of itself) looks just as good as the factory clear, and the primer is holding on just like the best epoxy primer from any of the big name companies

i know how well the primer is holding because JR didnt bother to scuff ANYTHING AT ALL ... so the clear and base coat later peeled off the waxy paint ... but by god that primer refuses to flake off !

if JR can make SPI primer stick like JB weld, and SPI clear shine like a new car, im sure anyone else can do the same (and better) with proper prepwork

hopefully come summer my friend will finaly break down and have me repair the car properly. if she does, i know where im going for the primer and clear Untill then, ill continue to tell everyone i know where to go for quality paint materials

ive also learned that sometimes... when people dont agree with you .... its best to hold them down and kidney punch them till they agree with you

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Old 12-18-2006, 06:17 AM
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You're preaching to the choir! (as the saying goes)
Most all of us on HR know this too, and for the ones that
are foolisly stubborn, it won't matter to them.
Nothing is going to change their minds.
Never mind the clear having more iso's or higher solids, it won't
matter to the disbelievers, they would have to admit they were wrong,
and they're never going to do that.
Foolishly stubborn, their loss, not ours.
Thanks for the story, it's all to familiar.
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Old 12-18-2006, 11:38 AM
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Just curious as to which primer you got?
The Turbo is some KILLER stuff!!!
The Epoxy goes without saying. It's just amazing.
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i didn't think advertising and product promotion was allowed here
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Old 12-19-2006, 07:29 AM
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Didn't know lowRoller was an employee of SPI. I thought he was just another guy that was happy with a new to him product and wanted to share his experience with the rest on the forum.
I must have missed something in his original thread.
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Old 12-19-2006, 07:33 AM
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Esty, promoting a product an individual thinks works well for him isn't "advertising". I understand there is a lot of it sometimes, but they like the product, theres nothing wrong with that in my book.

It's like that pesky first amendment of "free speech". I certainly don't want to hear all the political stuff the "other side" says, but I have to, if I want the right to be heard too. It is that simple. Is that a left or right position?

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Old 12-19-2006, 08:19 AM
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It's advertisement if the person doing it is associated with the company.
From the rest of us it's "product review" or a personal opinion.
I know there are some "grey" areas that have bordered on advertisemant
in the past, I don't think this post is one of them. Most will agree.
I hope more will do so, that's how we learn products worth.
Esty, if you don't like SPI, that's fine. If you like xyz brand we need to
hear about it too. But we need to hear about how a product really did
to compare it, usually after time to proove its worth.
Not just because it may look good when done.
If you have an example of a product that does well, please post it.
I'm all for it.
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esty its bad enough YOU ruined 101 now dont try to start anything here
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Old 12-19-2006, 08:39 PM
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you know i was on here for probably 2 years. this is the first time i came back in 8 months or so only to find the same childish people starting all the same crap. its like a broken record. i just dont get it!!
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Its just your luck Jim. I haven't seen a post from esty for awhile. You just happen to come back at the wrong time I guess. Really sad that some people can drive members away that has a lot of information worth reading. Least I know a place I can go to read the good stuff you post. Guess sometimes you have to weed through some bs once in a while to get to good information when you are on a forum as large as this one. The members that use to be hear that have gone is pretty sad. You and randy are just two that come to mind. Least there are still a few around that look forward to reading posts from.
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Old 12-20-2006, 02:25 AM
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Old 12-20-2006, 02:53 AM
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i didn't think advertising and product promotion was allowed here
I'm with you esty , i think it takes away from the hobby.&.sux

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Old 12-20-2006, 04:26 AM
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I think we all should refrain from mentioning any brand name or products in the future. That includes the brand, make, or model of vehicles, or parts since some people don't understand the difference between information and advertising/promoting. That way people like Esty can climb back in their respective holes and not be seen or heard of again, since they only come out to stir things up.

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Old 12-20-2006, 06:01 AM
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C'mon guys (and gals),
Don't ever let a single individual run you away from here.
If you do, then they've won
The best thing to do is persavere in spit of them.
Ignore it, they hate that.
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:30 AM
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maybe you guys should refer to the guidlines, while i go post this in the site suggestions section for review by Jon

http://www.hotrodders.com/help/board/business.html
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