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Spray guns where and what to buy

Hello,
I'm looking for a good spray gun, one that is small, easy to handle and doesn't need a lot of air or create alot of overspray? I'm new at two things here, one this dam computer and spray painting. Any help, anyone, would be much appreciated.
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There has been a heap of discussion on the cheap Chinese knock-off HVLP spray guns. Some are great and the bargain of the century, and some are pure garbage. Just use the search function and key in HVLP, you will be reading for hours.

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Still looking

Thank you Vince,
But I was looking for some advise that was a little more specific. Even if I did happen to find some, I really don't know what to ask for .
But thanks anyway
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Small, easy to handle..does not need a lot of air..and does not create a lot of overspray is available..Just not in the same gun

The cheap imports have such a poor quality control that you may get a good one or maybe not..I have a couple of those and one did just ok and the other one is no good..

Small guns are for detail and touch up work or small objects like helmets..guys use the small guns for things like flames and such where not very much of one color is being sprayed..

Full size guns are used for all overs..painting an entire car or truck..

HVLP guns do not produce as much over spray and lay down more of your material on the car..Required in some areas and do save money on paint for a full time collision shop..

Conventional guns do not need as much air but do Produce more over spray..

to give you an Idea..Astro makes some conventional guns that are reasonable in price, suitable for the hobbyist and used in body shops as a knock around gun..

Geo-Walcom makes some good production guns and are used in a lot of shops..

Very best are the SATA and Iwata guns used by guys who are very fussy about their guns..

Critical thing is to size your air compressor to support the type of gun that you are using..

Good air filtration is vital to the completed paint job..

Probably stuck my foot in it..but then different strokes for different folks..

Hope this give you some more ideas when you go shopping..

BTW on that compressor I really am not concerned about which one of those things someone gets but take into consideration the air flow in CFM to support a dynabrade or air board if you choose to get those tools down the road..

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Hey Bill; I know two buddies who are building anglias. They each have extra doors and there is a guy not too far from me that has all kind of anglia parts. I'll get back to you tonight with what they have. Hopefully its what you need. Cheers!!
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gun choice

I am not an expert. have read and read and talked to experts a bit and searched on the internet for many hours. No real consensus. First how much are you willing to spend on stuff. An adiquate compressor 12cfm...The local farm store is selling ingersol rand 60 gallon compressors for $500. Good air hose $30, Adapters $10, air dryer-regulator-$20-50, and the paint gun. Cheap guns less than $50 look on ebay, I have and like the w400 knockoff(lots of discussion on this one) I like it and it worked well but I dont think I would trust it for a project of love. It is a disposable gun at this price and works well with primer and urethane. It has a 1.5 tip. Name brand intro guns sharpe finex, devilbiss finishline III, and sharpe cobalt ($80-122). Probably all good guns for a none pro. Then there are the iwata crowd, for the pro or someone who really values a good tool ($400+). I did get to handle the lvlp version of this gun last summer, fresh from the owners ups box. From the forum feedback I have read, this is the gun I would want. Of course I would also like a date with Hiedi Klum but I digress. Oh if I had the guts I would buy a good gun and sell it on ebay once I was done. The rent on the gun would not be too bad, they hold value really well.
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spray guns

Thank you OMT & ACSTEVE,
For taking the time to share your knowledge, now I feel I have something to work with. I'll post my findings.
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pls help me,

I am unable to stop myself buying spray guns..

1. i got biks 1.8 siphone (bbr)
2. i got sagola made in spain
3. i got sata rp digital 1.4
4. i got develbiss medium fun gun 1.4
5. i got hvlp minijet sata 1.0 new one
6. i got sata 2000 dekor airbrush new one
7. i got badger airbrush model 150
8. i got medium chinees spray gun
9. i got big gravity china hvlp
10 i got japanies touchup gun
11 i got chines set minijet with 4 jars and plastic case and hose

i said i had enough but if i see new one will buy... i am planing to buy
iwata and gti in the future.. i am not daily painting but during the weekend

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I have worked with Binks and Devilbis guns in both standard and hvlp. Last year I bought a Sata. Wow! I am sold. Once again the Germans demonstrate their know how. I now have 3 SATA's that are all hvlp: 1-primer gun, 1-spot gun and the top of the line finish gun with an LCD pressure readout in the handle.

They are a little pricey but they really improved my consistency and quality. They are good enough that I will only use them for high quality work. Dumb but it is like I don't want to use them up (as if I could).

In standard guns I am fond of the old Binks Model 7. I have two of them, one has only been used once but it is still the workhorse of the industry but obviously does not meet commercial requirements for atomization restrictions.

I typically use my Devilbis guns for primer. IMHO They are relatively inexpensive but just don't spray they way I expect. I have bought several over the years and they nearly all become primer guns.

Regardless of the gun you decide on the major question you need to be asking is what kind of respiration do you use. Today's paints can kill you, really. At a minimum you must use a positive pressure respirator.
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Buying gun

Hello GA,
I don't much about mental afflictions, but you may need to seek counseling about your spray gun addiction
Joeycam,
Quality is what Iam looking for. Next week I am going to try a sata jet 2000 hvlp.
Thank you both for your imput, it helps.
DR
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what is the CFM rating on your compressor? You said uses little air. How little? That may be the deciding factor on the gun you pick. THe Iwata LPH 400 and the Astro knock off are pretty stingy on Air at arounf 8-9 CFM at fairly low pressures. If you can find an old Sharpe Platinum 2013 or 3013, theywere rated at 7.5cfm if memory serves correct.
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I agree with bonfire, as sata hvlp 2000 is great spray gun and made
for professional use but it need hi cfm (15 cfm ) but i recommend you
to buy 1.4 sata rp digital 2 or iwata lph 400.

I use my sata rp for base coat and clear coat and you need only 10
cfm at 2.5 bar at the gun inlet.

good luck

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sata demo?????????????

Hi Bonfire,
Thank you for the input - in the main shop they have plenty of air, but I am off in another building, too far to run an air line. I don't know what the CFM rating is on my compressor, I guess I should find out. After reading some posts on this BB & others I have decided, no knock offs or used guns.

G.A.
I have the sata coming today for a test run , we'll see how that goes.
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Disappointed

Well guys.
Yesterday I tried both the Sata NR 2000 and the RP. To say the least I was disappointed. More overspray than I expected or wanted, heavier and a little large for my small hand. My compressor was struggling to deliver the air needed too. Nice guns, but, if I'm going to pay almost $600.00 for a spray gun its got to feel good in my hand and of course spray well.
Tomorrow we'll see how the Iwatas perform.
Thanks again for your input,
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