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piercetdg 04-17-2012 07:10 PM

Spraying Clear Coat on Stock Paint
 
Well my car is a 2003 and I really want to paint it but I have no good reason to other than a few stone chips in on the hood. I could spot repair the stone chips and clear the rest of the hood but then it wouldn't match well.

So what I was thinking was sand the entire car with 1000 wet then spray some base on the stone chips then clear the whole thing. Get a perfect show room finish, fix the stone chips, work less, and save a bit of money.

Is there a problem with this plan? Any durability issues that I may encounter? Is there a better way to prep a car like this (with scotchbrite I mean)?

OneMoreTime 04-17-2012 07:17 PM

I cannot think of any issues that you may have other than the extra work to do the whole car..We do exactly what you propose on a lot of repair jobs..

Sam

piercetdg 04-17-2012 09:30 PM

Yeah I figured every shop does this just on sections of the car. I think it's a great idea for someone like me who wants to give people the best paint job I can possibly give them at the lowest possible price.

Now I'm wondering about the scotch brite pads and the scuffing creams and what not. Would this be a better route to take for the speed of it?

richowens 04-17-2012 10:55 PM

scotchbrite prep
 
I just saw your posting and I am a Painter by trade for over 40 years now( whew)!!!! anyway...I would suggest sanding the rock chips out of the hood, primer the area with a good catalyzed primer, sand the primer with 600 and then use both 1000 and a grey scotchbrite with scuff-n-stuff over the entire car and spot repair the edge of the hood with color matched basecoat, blending the new color with a swinging motion up the hood...then clear the whole thing....nip the dirties out with 2000 and polish....thats what we do out there...the only thing I have a problem with is the r&i of all the mouldings, handles and etc....good luck to you

MARTINSR 04-17-2012 11:23 PM

I have to tell you, that is a TON of work for a "driver". I assume this is what we are talking about, a driver. There is a reason why shops only spot paint a panel and clear just that panel, it's the only thing that needs to be done!

I say spot paint and clear the whole hood and polish the rest of the car if you want a nice shine.

The whole car is coated with a clear coat already, a little "shoe shine" and it will look darn near as good (maybe as good) as a clear coat over it.

If you had to bring the color too close to the edges of the hood just blend onto the fenders. But clearing the whole thing, I see no use in that. Just another opinion. :thumbup:

Brian

swvalcon 04-18-2012 05:57 AM

MartinSr is right on at the most all you would have to do is the hood and fenders and buff the rest of the car.

richowens 04-18-2012 07:03 AM

polish vs. total clear
 
these guys are right...we would only do the hood and a blend into the fenders...much less work and a little detail for the rest of the car and most people would never know it was damaged..just be careful of your brand mixing...time may cause delamination of the clear if you do...yeah...keep it simple

MARTINSR 04-18-2012 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercetdg
Well my car is a 2003 and I really want to paint it but I have no good reason to other than a few stone chips in on the hood. I could spot repair the stone chips and clear the rest of the hood but then it wouldn't match well.

So what I was thinking was sand the entire car with 1000 wet then spray some base on the stone chips then clear the whole thing. Get a perfect show room finish, fix the stone chips, work less, and save a bit of money.

Is there a problem with this plan? Any durability issues that I may encounter? Is there a better way to prep a car like this (with scotchbrite I mean)?

I have to assume you have never sprayed a complete. If you had you would NOT be thinking of this as it is a HUGE project compared to a hood. It is like building a two bedroom two bath house compared to a dog house, it is a LOT more work. And most of all, a LOT more wide open spaces for errors. There is no reason to add detail to make this understood I hope, if there is no reason to spray anything else, don't do it!

Brian

richowens 04-18-2012 08:14 AM

I agree with you Brian..there is a lot to painting a complete..and yes..I have been painting for about 40 years so I do know a few things about paint...I simply assumed that the he wanted to paint the whole car...we dont know unless specified how far someone wants to go...therefore...no estimates without visuals LOL...but you are right..and yes...I shouldnt assume anything....thanks for your input...we hope not to confuse people here

MARTINSR 04-18-2012 08:22 AM

I have never walked into a booth to spray a complete without being a nervous wreck, and I am talking about when I was painting every day for a living. Maybe it's just me, but that complete would kick my ars when I was done I felt like I had just ran a marathon! And the mental aspect, knowing that there are a million and one ways you can screw up just added to it. A few panels, a whole side, never thought a thing about it, wham bam done. But the complete, there was always a mental thing about that to overcome. :sweat:

Brian

swvalcon 04-18-2012 08:48 AM

Brain you should of went to work for macco for a couple months a complete would no longer be a big thing but I know what you mean. Seems like when I want something to come out perfect I can screw something up. If I don't care and just go in and give it a quick one-two It looks like a show car.

richowens 04-18-2012 09:30 AM

Pinting butterflies
 
hahahahaha...LOLOLOL....yeah..I have to admit that there is a mental aspect to painting big jobs...especially if its a high end vehicle and light metallic...always somethin!!!! LOL....but after a few thousand of them..you just accept the fact that there is nothing about what im doing that cant be repaired...so...if i get a run or if the metallic shows blotchies...i just need to fix it and go on...nervousness only adds to the problem...pretty technical for a guy who just does it sometimes and only needs to fix a problem sometimes..we can always overthink the project and get even more nervous...my advice...just do it !!!!LOL...and yeah..Maaco teaches completes well

piercetdg 04-18-2012 02:49 PM

This isn't my first paint job and I have a tun of confidence in my clear spraying ability because I know that the only difference between me and the best clear painter on the planet is that I sometimes run. Unfortunately every time I've painted a complete I've had at least 1 problem that I had to solve and now I'm not scared of completes in the slightest. When I see a problem, right before my heart rate spikes and I freak out, I remember what my friend Martin told me. "I don't let those little things bring me down, don't get upset because it's not worth it". Actually on the last car I painted when water splashed out from a crevasse, it was almost like he was right beside me saying it right to my face. Sure enough I didn't panic, not even for one second.

I might be an amateur but I'm going to remember what Martin told me for as long as I paint and I think even a vet can improve if he says those words to himself out loud. It's called an affirmation and it's you're greatest offense against anxiety!

richowens 04-18-2012 07:43 PM

anxiety attacks
 
way to go buddy...yknow...ive done it all now and im sure that there is many other things in the future that would challenge me...but...im ready to hand over my guns to the next generation...mayby you can take over...not a bad profession..just not steady enough in this economy to feel secure...and the biggest problem facing the industry is the insurance companys..they have the shop owners by the neck and I dont see a way out..you are either in bed with them or you starve...good luck

piercetdg 04-18-2012 09:17 PM

Hey maybe saying I was just as good as the best clear sprayer in the world was a little bit of an over exaggeration. You're still number one champ!

Maybe I'm an idiot but I don't understand how everyone gets screwed over by the insurance companies. Everyone pays ridiculous amounts of money to them by law and I thought they paid the body shops this money to fix the cars. I had to get 2 doors and one fender repaired through insurance and it was around $6500 dollars. Is the problem that insurance companies don't send the smaller shops the business? In the shop I used to work at we fixed up smashed cars and sold them on Kijiji, I thought that financially made sense as well.

Jeez I hope there's a place for me in this world as a painter because I may not be that good at it but it is my best skill. I work very hard everyday so I can get better.


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