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Old 02-03-2005, 10:05 AM
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Starter problems (again!)

Alright I know Ive posted several times about starter problems before but I just another one than I have know clue what to do about. alright my problem is I just put a new mini starter on my truck, when I turn the key here is no hint of it needing shims or of it grinding on the flywheel, but when the engine is running, the flywheel is running the gear on the starter! The gear is working perfectly its just that for some reason it won't mount up to the flywheel right.
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Old 02-03-2005, 10:08 AM
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boy I've got the exact same problem, I've had the starter off twice to shim it back, and now you can just hear it nick the starter every once in a while. I guess I'll have to figure out how to make a nose shim and bring it back.

BTW, people always think you're talking about block to starter shims when you talk to them about this... I almost wonder if they even know that nose shims exist! Only on mini starters I guess. Anyway, yeah, just shim your nose back until it goes away....

did you buy a cheap starter too? lol. Got mine off ebay for like 110. Its actually a great unit, other than the bendix crap. One more shim and I'll be good lol.

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Old 02-03-2005, 10:12 AM
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I have a mini starter and it only engages the ring gear halfway. Can I shim this out, and how do I do it?
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Old 02-03-2005, 10:15 AM
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Yeah I bought mine off of ebay to, Ive had one just like it before except this new one is chrome,the first one worked pretty good, but do you have any idea where I could get one of these body shims? I tried to make one on my own and it turned out a mess.
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Ring gear?

I don't think there's much ytou can do with the internals of the starter with shims. If you mean the flywheel/starter engagement, I think its only supposed to grab the flywheel about 1.5cm, not the whole way.

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Old 02-03-2005, 10:38 AM
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Shimming Mini-Starters

I have had a Summit mini-starter on for years.

Shortly after I installed it, I developed what I thought was detonation. Sounded just like it, and was only present under load. Since I also made some other changes to the engine (i.e. new cam), I never put two and two together and chased rabbits fighting this new "detonation" problem.

I even changed heads to lower my compression ratio. Then one day I took it a trans shop to see if maybe the knocking was coming from the trans or converter. While on the lift, one guy put it under load with is foot on the brake. It made the knocking noise alright, as well as some sparks!

I shimmed the nose back like Killer said with a shim that came with the starter and it fixed my problem. It doesn't take much contact to make a big noise. Even when it was throwing out sparks, the damage to the starter gear was negligible. Maybe the thickness of a piece of paper. I guess given enough time, it would have fixed itself (lol). If shimming doesn't fix it, perhaps you could have some material taken off the end of the starter gear (say 1/16" to 1/8"). The following (picture) does not show the shim I used, but it went between the starter and the alumimum block that bolts to the engine block.

As far as shimming the other way, perhaps you could have the starter's mounting block milled down a bit (on the starter side only). That would put the gear into the bellhousing further. But like Killer said, you do not need a full-depth engagement.

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Do you know where I can find some shims like that? The problem I'm having is that the gear is engaging to much, so much that when it pulls itself back that its still being turned by the flywheel.
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Old 02-03-2005, 10:53 AM
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Where to get shims?

Mine came with my starter. Since your starter is new, you should know who the manufacturer is, right? Give them a call. I do not think that you can necessarily find off-the-shelf shims, since starters are unique to a particular application, and there a lot of applications. Ed
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Thanks for your help man, Its funny about what you said because I bought the starter off of ebay and I have no idea what the manufactuer is! But I have had a starter just like it and have seen a ton of them just like it on ebay so maybe I can figure it.

Alright you let me have it for not know who made my starter.
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I've already tried to contact the ebay guy, he doesn't have the shims, he only has what comes in the kits. Maybe you can push the issure more than I did. I just bought some small washers, round them down to shape in a vice, shimmed the starter back with that and used form-a-gasket rubberized silicone crap to seal the gap, because really, what difference does it make?
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Old 02-03-2005, 12:18 PM
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Alright thanks man Im gonna go try that with the washers, but I did find out the brand of starter it was. The company is called McCleod if that helps anybody.
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McCleod

They have a website, but their technical line is closed until 02/14/05

Is this your starter? Probably the same folks who manufacturer Summit's mini-starters.

Maybe you can call up ole Red Roberts and he can help you out (lol).

I think Killer's washer idea would work fine.

Good luck, Ed

BTW - I wasn't trying to bust your chops on the manufacturer thing
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Yep that my start all right! Thanks for all of yalls help, I tried to use killers washer idea but I didnt have any washers that would work on it so I found an old shim for mounting to the engine and just cut it up to were it worked. So I fixed that problem I just hope it lasts

Thanks for all your help guys.
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