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Old 12-16-2012, 04:39 PM
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Just a note ,rear anti sway bar should be no more than 70% the diameter of the size of the front

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correct, a bar on the rear and no front bar will make the vehicle very twitchy, and tail happy.. making it want to switch ends, in a turn..
Absolutely. Lots of cars do the opposite with front swaybar and not a rear, but the opposite can create weird handling.
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A front sway bar tends to induce understeer - which is what most people are used to. A rear sway bar tends to induce oversteer (tail-happy). If you only have one, it should be up front. If you have both, the front one should be larger (as was mentioned earlier - rear 70% of front, is a good ballpark).
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Has anyone installed a sway bar on a straight front axle in an old pickup?
Sway bar on a straight axle? Yes

An old pickup? How about a 1927 pickup?

I have front and rear sway bars on my '27 Ford RPU.

It handles really good in corners, on 4 ply tires.

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Thanks for all the input with all this info it seems that the general opinion is that if I donít install a front sway bar that I should not install the rear.
Thatís no problem Iíll pull the rear sway bar and store it until I can figure out a front. This is not bad as now I can get to feel what it will ride like with the new Super Sliders front and rear. Maybe I wonít need them at all.
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here is a 55-59 suburban factory sway bar pic from the chevytrucks.com where i usually hang out

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The 64 -70 Chevy vans were available with a swaybar on leaf spring suspension. It makes a big difference on them, but there ya have the higher profile.
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What vehicle did you get your front sway bar from?
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Front sway bar up date.

After spending days designing and making brackets to mount the S10 rear sway bar to my 36 frame I posted this thread about a front sway bar and found that you should not add a rear sway bar without a front sway bar. So I shelved that plan and started searching for a front sway bar. I read an article on the Stove Bolt page about a guy who installed a sway bar that was made for a 47-54 Chevy pickup on his 37. That got me thinking I contacted him and asked him to take a few measurements on his 37 so I could check for any differences between the two frames. He got back to me quite quickly and I found that my front cross member sits back about 3” more than his 37. After studying the measurements I came up with a plan to mount the sway bar to the front of the front axle and the arms to the front of the frame.
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After spending days designing and making brackets to mount the S10 rear sway bar to my 36 frame I posted this thread about a front sway bar and found that you should not add a rear sway bar without a front sway bar. So I shelved that plan and started searching for a front sway bar. I read an article on the Stove Bolt page about a guy who installed a sway bar that was made for a 47-54 Chevy pickup on his 37. That got me thinking I contacted him and asked him to take a few measurements on his 37 so I could check for any differences between the two frames. He got back to me quite quickly and I found that my front cross member sits back about 3Ē more than his 37. After studying the measurements I came up with a plan to mount the sway bar to the front of the front axle and the arms to the front of the frame.
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Thanks guys for all your help.
I went to your journal, good clean work ,well thought out ,I guess your truck drives much better now ,what about the rear now,,i bought a rear setup anti sway bar brackets from a 70s Camaro with leaf springs that I will be mounting on the rear of my 53 truck the rear bar is 7/8 in,my front bar is a 85 Monte Carlo it is 1-1/4 in ,mine is a little nose heavy so I went with heavy bar.
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I realize you guys are talking about stove bolts but the theory is the same no matter what the brand. Ford installed a factory sway bar on their straight axle cars in 1946-48. When I installed the parallel leaf springs under my 47 Ford I used an early 70ís Mustang sway bar mounted upside down and backwards in front of the rear axle. It worked perfectly and like my carburetor, did not know it was backwards.

There is no reason you can not adapt a sway bar to fit your application in front. If you do, adding another one to the rear will likely improve your handling even more.

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My S10 rear axle came with a sway bar. All my brackets are done and painted. I will reinstall the rear sway bar while I’m waiting for the cab to dry. I too had to move the rear sway bar to the front of the rear axle as the fuel tank takes up to much space in the rear of the axle.
I will update my journal when it is done.
I probably won’t know how it handles until fall. I have it tore down to the frame. Hope to get the cab in primer this week.
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I realize you guys are talking about stove bolts but the theory is the same no matter what the brand. Ford installed a factory sway bar on their straight axle cars in 1946-48. When I installed the parallel leaf springs under my 47 Ford I used an early 70ís Mustang sway bar mounted upside down and backwards in front of the rear axle. It worked perfectly and like my carburetor, did not know it was backwards.

There is no reason you can not adapt a sway bar to fit your application in front. If you do, adding another one to the rear will likely improve your handling even more.

John L
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Nice work. Thanks for posting your solution - should work well for you.
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Now that I got the front sway bar installed I went ahead and installed the rear S10 sway bar.
now i got to get back to the cab.
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