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Old 12-22-2010, 12:09 PM
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i havent looked in my strange cat. for awhile, but if i remeber they mostly use 9" outers (ends,bearings)
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i havent looked in my strange cat. for awhile, but if i remeber they mostly use 9" outers (ends,bearings)
yeah they use ford bearings but i don't know which brakes to use? I would prefer to reuse mine
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without knowing the measurement on the bolt spacing that holds your backing plates (asumeing its drums) to your 10 bolt, i'm going to say it will be hard to do.
they must be centered on the axle.
if its disc it would almost be doable with ford rotors.
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i was gonna either get a moser 12 bolt with 33 spline axles, true trac posi, 1350 yoke, spring perches braced and TA alum girdle or a moser 35 spline dana 60 with true trac posi, spring perches braced. There both about $2700 shipped. I'm not much for the 9".

I found a brand new strange dana 60 locally for $2000. Has anybody had any issues with the strange dana 60's? Freddie said they use a different axle seal that can leak sometimes.
im currious why you don't like a 9"
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im currious why you don't like a 9"
i'm just not into the 9" and partly because they sap more power than 12 or dana 60's and yeah they weight a little less than the dana 60's but they also sap more power so it almost cancels out the weight factor. I'm not running huge power so i need every hp i can get and the dana 60 saps less power. I don't plan on swapping out rear gears so the removable center section isn't needed. and i like that the dana 60's have 35 spline axles standard. I like the Moser 12 bolt with the 33 spline axles and truetrac but this strange dana 60 is a great deal
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without knowing the measurement on the bolt spacing that holds your backing plates (asumeing its drums) to your 10 bolt, i'm going to say it will be hard to do.
they must be centered on the axle.
if its disc it would almost be doable with ford rotors.
well strange emailed me back and said i could use my stock brakes but would need to open up the axle hole in the backing plate. He said they use small GM ends with ford bearings
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i would be interested in the actual amount of power that is "sapped" and what part of the 9" is doing the "sapping" i'm assuming its the extra pinion support bearing.
unsprung weight is a huge performance factor.
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well strange emailed me back and said i could use my stock brakes but would need to open up the axle hole in the backing plate. He said they use small GM ends with ford bearings
piece of cake, that problem is solved
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i would be interested in the actual amount of power that is "sapped" and what part of the 9" is doing the "sapping" i'm assuming its the extra pinion support bearing.
unsprung weight is a huge performance factor.
i had read the amount of power sapped but forgot where i found it. but the 12 bolt and dana 60 were close in the amount of power lost. I believe that the power loss from the 9 is because the pinion is so low in the case. Yeah but the dana 60 is only like 25 more lbs than the 12 bolt and only 15 more lbs than the 9"
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i would be interested in the actual amount of power that is "sapped" and what part of the 9" is doing the "sapping" i'm assuming its the extra pinion support bearing.
unsprung weight is a huge performance factor.
9" ford eats more power because of its low pinion placement, the pinion makes a heavier wiping motion on the ring teeth, more friction and less efficient power transfer than having the pinion enter the case closer to centerline.

I don't like the 9" because it costs so much to beef up for any serious performance work. Housing so flimsy it needs bracing, needs a nodular iron centersection(stock is cast grey iron), Daytona pinion support all add up to a lot more cost compared to a Dana 60 or 12-bolt.

I take a Dana 60 full-floater from a truck($100 at a local yard), gut it, chop off the full floating ends, narrow it to width and add Big Ford bearing ends(because they are so standard to brake kits), add Moser or Auburn Spool and Moser axles and Yukon gears. Gets done for about $1000. Cheapest I've been able to do my own 9" is about $1700 because of all the extra parts to make it strong enough. You are buying axles, spool, gears either way, but the Ford needs a brace, nod center, pinion support, 1350 yoke and that is the difference. A stock 9" is a pile of junk for performance use - cast center, small pinion support and bearings, cheap housing, small yoke - above 400hp it can become a problem.

Many times the 60 will also have good reusable 4.10 or 4.56 gears in them, and most have a 1350 yoke already, saving you more cash.. Weight difference is only about 20 lbs heavier than a braced nodular center Ford, you have to buy a more expensive aluminum center and pinion support to make a big difference. And the 60 is still stronger in the end.

About the only advantages to the 9" is the drop out center, for guys that travel to many tracks and need more than one gear set up, and weight if a lot of aluminum components are used.

Thats my point of view on it, may differ for others if you can't do your own housing narrowing work.
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thaks for the explanation
that makes a very clear picture for me
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yeah eric explained what i thought too lol

So for me its between the moser 33 spline 12 bolt or the strange dana 60 for 2200. I'm thinking the dana so i can spend the extra 500 that i would save for either disc or larger drum brakes, my beefier driveline or towards 4L80 trans
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i thought you were going to use the brakes you already have?
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i thought you were going to use the brakes you already have?
yeah i was but if i can save the 500 then i might put it towards new brakes but i think i will just put it towards my 4L80 trans
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