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Frankinforesthill 12-19-2012 04:16 PM

Strange noise from flasher
 
Back in the 80's there were some foreign cars that would make a
"Rat ta tat tat tat' noise when the directional signal was turned on.
After the Rat a tat normal flasher sound would follow.
What caused the Rat ta tat sound?

Thanks, Frank

Frankinforesthill 12-31-2012 07:49 PM

147 looks and not even a guess.

This is a true happening i don't make this stuff up.

sparkchaser 12-31-2012 08:25 PM

I had some Toyotas that did that. The flasher would cycle at a high rate of speed, then immediately calm down and start working normally. It did it randomly, never caused a problem and was over before you could find out what caused it, so I never gave it much thought.

vicrod 01-01-2013 12:43 PM

brain teaser
 
Ok. Here is my guess.
Turn signal flashers are controlled by heat that is created by a resister inside the flasher can. This heating resister is located near a bi-metal strip. This strip opens and closes the circuit to the TS lamps. This resister is wired in series with the turn signal lamps and with the bi-metal strip/switch.

When the turn signal switch is open the resister is not in the circuit and remains cold and bi-metal switch is closed.
When the turn signal switch is closed current flows through the TS lamps and the resister that begins to heat the bi-metal switch. When the bi-metal switch is heated enough to distort and break the circuit to the lamps, current stops and the heater cools and the bi-metal cools permitting the bi-metal to return to it's closed position thus lighting the TS lamps again.

The bi-metal switch is made from (2) dissimilar metals that will expand at differing rates when heated. When these metals are welded together (thus the term bi-metal) and heated they will distort unevenly.

The noise is coming from the bi-metal strip/switch that due manufacturing tolerances such as incorrect tension in the switch or poor welding of the (2) metals is reacting to a sudden inrush of current created by the TS lamp filaments low cold resistance and initial cold resistance of flasher heater.

vicrod

Frankinforesthill 01-06-2013 02:45 PM

vicrod-
Bi-metal is actually two metals that are layered togeather.
Current passing through creates heat and they expand at a different rate.
Thats what causes the strip to bend and open the circuit.
That part I understand. It's just a circuit breaker.
I was hoping that one of you had taken one of the flashers in question apart
to have alook inside.
My thought now is that the initial electrical load on the flasher was low as the lamps were cold. After the lamps heated a bit resistance stabilized and flashed at a stable rate.

Any thoughts? Frank

vicrod 01-06-2013 03:26 PM

brain strain
 
Lamp resistance is low when cold. This will cause an initial current inrush causing the noise (my theory).
Simple to verify this low resistance issue with a meter, a 14 volt source and TS lamps.
1- Measure the total cold resistance of the lamps.
2- calculate the watts @ 14 volts using OHMS law.
3- Then power the lamps at 14 volts and measure the current.
4- Calculate the watts using EI=W.
5- Then compare the TWO results.

vicrod

Frankinforesthill 01-06-2013 03:38 PM

Hey vicrod,
I think I just said that?
Did that back in the day during one of them there college classes.
Thanks, Frank

boothboy 01-06-2013 03:38 PM

Have you checked all of your bulbs? You may very well have a bad bulb.
Don't laugh. It may be that simple. Possibly a bad ground also.
BB

Frankinforesthill 01-06-2013 03:46 PM

BB,
Read the whole thread.
There is no problem nor are there any bad bulbs.

boothboy 01-06-2013 04:35 PM

You know Frank, I just re-read everything you wrote concerning your flasher problems and I don't see where you mention the condition of the bulbs or that you've even looked to see that they are flashing. Maybe you should re-read what you've wrote.
BB

Frankinforesthill 01-07-2013 01:15 PM

BB,
The question stems from something that happened (pastense) back in the 1970's & 80's.
This did not happen on anything I owned. It did happen on cars from Japan as sparkchaser stated he owned Toyota's that made the noise.
I did not get a chance 30 some years ago to look into the noise as I was to busy fixing heavy equipment to play with cars and lite trucks.
Do you see where I'm cumen from now?
So, What caused the flashers of the day make the Ra Ta Ta Tat noise?

Frank

boothboy 01-07-2013 01:33 PM

That being said I see where your coming from. Saying that I'll still stick to my querry concerning light bulbs. A burned out bulb or a bad ground can cause a flasher to flash rapidly and depending on whose flasher was installed different noises could be heard. My suggestion was not ment to be a definitive answer only one possibility. A long time ago when I was first starting as a mechanic one or the hardest things for me to learn was to check the fuse first. Start look at simple things first before removing all the seats and carpets. Hence, didja look at the bulbs?

BB :confused:

Frankinforesthill 01-07-2013 01:40 PM

BB,
On older cars a burnt bulb will cause the flasher to slow.
This is because the load (curent draw) is less.
You get extra points for using the word "querry".

boothboy 01-07-2013 02:12 PM

Having said that Frank, what I said still holds true. Personal experience. With Toyota's. You never can by-pass "checking the fuse first" As far as using the word query, doesn't everyone?
BB :thumbup:

alittle1 01-18-2013 11:37 PM

The quality and technology of the the older flashers wasn't all that great, back in the day. I had a '47 Buick that when you pulled on the signal light, it would go "CLICK', LIght would come on, count one, two, three, four five, Soft click, light would shut off, .....!

With regard to the rat-a-tat-tat, the Jap flashers were likely old technology whereby they used a spring and a set of double set of points to flash the blinker lights on and off. These points would overheat and the points would rapid fire the rat-a-tat-tat sound. The flasher casing was also made of thin aluminum and the sound would echo like a hail storm on a tin roof. Horn relays used to do the same thing under the hood, usually was low power and poor ground.

Now that's solved for you, get into the 21st Century! At what speed does a flux capacitor kick in?


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