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i am new on this thread. a freind of mine is trying to sell me his 34 kit car he is gaving up on it. he wants 6500 for it all two eng, is it worth that for me to buy and put it together i have built alot of street rods but not a kit . not doing anything right now this winter. would you help if i get this car with your info thanks
I'm not hotrod 9152, But that's what this thread was setup for to help people. With that said, what have you built, steel or glass cars. I'm not trying to bash these kits, but they are not that easy to put together, the frames should be beefed up some, the welds should be looked at good or re-welded, which is what I did to mine. The body should be looked at, check to see if the back fenders are the same, Mine weren't, check and see if the drop going toward the engine are the same. If you are getting two engines, that helps, but what are you getting with the car, just saying you are getting the kit and two engines, that could be a good deal or bad. Post some pictures of what you are getting and we can go from there, there are people on here willing to help, that have built these cars.

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i am new on this thread. a freind of mine is trying to sell me his 34 kit car he is gaving up on it. he wants 6500 for it all two eng, is it worth that for me to buy and put it together i have built alot of street rods but not a kit . not doing anything right now this winter. would you help if i get this car with your info thanks
If you built plenty of Street Rods as you claim this would be no different. Many would be happy to help with questions here on this forum but being you built quite a few Street Rods as you say I don't see you or anyone else who may of did the same needing much help. Makes no difference that it is called a kit. I basically only received the '34 Coupe Body and Frame from CMC back during the early 90's as many parts were backordered or never shipped to me being CMC sold from a empty shelf so to say back then. If the so called kit you are talking about has the body, frame and all parts concerning the frame and all loose fiberglass parts concerning the body that come with the kit you are good to go and $6500 is a steal just for that as far as I am concerned especially if you are getting a complete kit. Today or should I say recently before Street Beast closed down the complete kit went for just under $20k delivered if I remember correctly. When I purchased mine back in '92 my cost on a complete kit was at or around $10.5k before I made any arrangements for shipping that I handled on my own. I had the frame and any loose frame parts shipped first and paid someone I know who ran produce back and forth from Florida to N.J.to pick it up for me. Did the same when I was ready for the Glass Body and parts associated with the body. In this last shipment I was short many parts and then CMC eventually went out of business shortly after. I didn't pay for all of the items that I was short on so I paid much lower then the $10.5 deal I made with CMC in the end. If I remember correctly I paid right around what your friend is asking for this kit you talk about. Most of my car as I have mentioned before on this forum is built with aftermarket parts from the Grill back. Never liked the CMC,SB grill in the first place anyway so not getting it in the list of shorted parts along with the shorted factory bumpers didn't bother me a bit.
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i am new on this thread. a freind of mine is trying to sell me his 34 kit car he is gaving up on it. he wants 6500 for it all two eng, is it worth that for me to buy and put it together i have built alot of street rods but not a kit . not doing anything right now this winter. would you help if i get this car with your info thanks
he has everything . rad, ford rear end. must,2 front end gages, shifter,wiring streering col, wheels and tires exh. black int, gas tank windows, and everthing that came with kit. two motors one 327 and a 283 bored out to 302 and tran. by this board i don;t think it would be a good buy. i have built all steel car in the pass. i am retired now and just looking for something that i can build to keep me busy and mybe sell when done . but what i see on this board you cannot sell one of these car after it done . is this right or wrong. i have seen some of this car at carshow but never look ed at one

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he has everything . rad, ford rear end. must,2 front end gages, shifter,wiring streering col, wheels and tires exh. black int, gas tank windows, and everthing that came with kit. two motors one 327 and a 283 bored out to 302 and tran. by this board i don;t think it would be a good buy. i have built all steel car in the pass. just sold a 37 chev ground up everthing new for 31000 and i am retired now and just like to have something to do but don.t want to waste money on something that well not sell when its done, thanks
These SB cars take a lot of time to make "right" plus a fair amount of dollars. Then the worst part, the possible financial hit when you sell. But, with that said and with what is being offered, a very nice car could be built.
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he has everything . rad, ford rear end. must,2 front end gages, shifter,wiring streering col, wheels and tires exh. black int, gas tank windows, and everthing that came with kit. two motors one 327 and a 283 bored out to 302 and tran. by this board i don;t think it would be a good buy. i have built all steel car in the pass. i am retired now and just looking for something that i can build to keep me busy and mybe sell when done . but what i see on this board you cannot sell one of these car after it done . is this right or wrong. i have seen some of this car at carshow but never look ed at one
To me it's a good buy if , you are willing to spend some money to get things that will make it easier to sell, if that is what you are doing. What the car kit sold for in the end, and what they sold for in the late 80s, you are getting a great deal. you didn't get an engine with the kit, let alone two, you didn't get a rearend, if you are getting all the front end that's something you didn't get, shifter, steering column, or tranny. So you are money ahead there.

There are things IMO, that have to change to get the car to sit right, ffas23 and myself don't agree on this but I think the car sits to high in front, I have been around hot rods a long time and built a lot of them and unless you are trying to get a gasser look, the fenders always come down over the tire some.

These are not easy car to build, But you can end up with a nice looking car if you take your time, and depending on what you want. Don't think you will get rich on it, The car market is very soft right now. Change a few things, re-do some things like the frame, IMO the frame is a little weak and the welds are not that great, to suit me. You can build it by the book or build it on your own, On mine I went on my own, changed a lot of things and built it how I wanted it to look. I started mine along time ago, pushed in the corner a lot, to work on other cars, but I will get it done this summer or fall.

It's your choice as to buy it or not, and if you want to do what it takes to build it. If it were any other car where you had to buy all the parts, it is a very good deal. So if you have built other cars this one should be not that much different, as long as you know you might have to change some things.

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I think 6500 for every thing is a good price. hells bell the two motors and the tranny cost that . That said the 34 BEAST as most ever thing else will have its flaws and yes they do set a bit high as Bob said at lest for some's taste but as you have built more then one you provably know that a snip and weld back can fix a lot. Just remember if the book said to sand to fit they an't joking. Good luck if you decide to build it.

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I think 6500 for every thing is a good price. hells bell the two motors and the tranny cost that . That said the 34 BEAST as most ever thing else will have its flaws and yes they do set a bit high as Bob said at lest for some's taste but as you have built more then one you provably know that a snip and weld back can fix a lot. Just remember if the book said to sand to fit they an't joking. Good luck if you decide to build it.

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They have the short A arms now wich might get him down in front it is close,

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They have the short A arms now wich might get him down in front it is close,

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I was not aware of that Bob I wounder if that is what we got from SOUTHERN ROD as they did ask what we were building. As for the rear as I said before we used a 95 8.8 MUSTANG GT rear end that fit fine .We did get a set of CENTER LINE RIMS with a 1/2" more back spacing then SB called for and the tires fit under the finder just like you and my self like. The only rub we got was when my hard headed brother tried two tires one size to tall we traded them and fix that.

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I was not aware of that Bob I wounder if that is what we got from SOUTHERN ROD as they did ask what we were building. As for the rear as I said before we used a 95 8.8 MUSTANG GT rear end that fit fine .We did get a set of CENTER LINE RIMS with a 1/2" more back spacing then SB called for and the tires fit under the finder just like you and my self like. The only rub we got was when my hard headed brother tried two tires one size to tall we traded them and fix that.

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They are not that much shorter but enough to get the car looking right. I also have 2" dropped spindles, Mustang road racing springs that lower the car 1 3/4 " and I changed the body mount to lower it some. I like them low. The back I have a jag rearend, it is not as wide so I have plenty of room back there.

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Greetings,
Well, I am new to this forum, but I am in the process of finishing up my 34 three window. It has been a long journey. First thing I did, was throw away the manual!! If you use all of the junk yard parts they tell you to get, you will end up with a junk yard car.

These kits are not for the un-itiated. They are hard to assemble, and make things fit properly. I have gone through 2 gallons of epoxy resin, and around 20 yards of cloth. There were two things that were the hardest to do. Hang the doors so the body lines matched up, and install the headliner. I cut the head liner in half, welded in more support backing, and screwed in into place. I think each door took me in excess of a week each. The windows in the doors were done like a regular car door. Glass run channel, belt line rubber and fuzzy strip. If you install the windows like they suggest, all you will hear while driving is wind howl, as nothing is sealed.

I would not use another one of these. But I have one, I am going to finish it, and I will never sell it off. The cost is pretty steep, but then what isn't these days. I got pretty lucky, and the body was pretty straight. They did lie to me about the rear end and tire sizes. Should have narrowed the rear end by 4 inches or so. I ended up getting custom made wheels, with a great deal of back space, So they fit the wheel wells properly.

I had to re-weld a lot of the frame. the pockets for the upper control arms on the rear end, were in the wrong place. the frame is built so as to make it hard to get the exhaust out. Has to hang under the frame.

When it is all said and done, this is a pretty hard car to build. I have looked at a lot of them. And the skill level of the builder was always apparent. some looked really nice, some did not. But they were all proud to have completed them. That is the main thing.
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Greetings,
Well, I am new to this forum, but I am in the process of finishing up my 34 three window. It has been a long journey. First thing I did, was throw away the manual!! If you use all of the junk yard parts they tell you to get, you will end up with a junk yard car.

These kits are not for the un-itiated. They are hard to assemble, and make things fit properly. I have gone through 2 gallons of epoxy resin, and around 20 yards of cloth. There were two things that were the hardest to do. Hang the doors so the body lines matched up, and install the headliner. I cut the head liner in half, welded in more support backing, and screwed in into place. I think each door took me in excess of a week each. The windows in the doors were done like a regular car door. Glass run channel, belt line rubber and fuzzy strip. If you install the windows like they suggest, all you will hear while driving is wind howl, as nothing is sealed.

I would not use another one of these. But I have one, I am going to finish it, and I will never sell it off. The cost is pretty steep, but then what isn't these days. I got pretty lucky, and the body was pretty straight. They did lie to me about the rear end and tire sizes. Should have narrowed the rear end by 4 inches or so. I ended up getting custom made wheels, with a great deal of back space, So they fit the wheel wells properly.

I had to re-weld a lot of the frame. the pockets for the upper control arms on the rear end, were in the wrong place. the frame is built so as to make it hard to get the exhaust out. Has to hang under the frame.

When it is all said and done, this is a pretty hard car to build. I have looked at a lot of them. And the skill level of the builder was always apparent. some looked really nice, some did not. But they were all proud to have completed them. That is the main thing.
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First welcome to the site and this thread. You only used 2 gallons of resin, you are lucky I had to use close to 15,
Got any pics of yours. we are here to help people that are building one and might need it, I'm sure you can help. It is not a thread to knock the car or put it down, there is another thread for that, and everything has just about been covered on that thread, as far as putting it down.
like I said this is to help people because it is not that easy.
These cars IMO can look good if you but the time in them. I'm just waiting to get into the body shop to get it painted on mine. I will post a couple pics for you.

Oh nothing has been adjusted on my doors or hood, in these pictures yet, I did have it all set up once, but took it apart.

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Greetings,
Well, I am new to this forum, but I am in the process of finishing up my 34 three window. It has been a long journey. First thing I did, was throw away the manual!! If you use all of the junk yard parts they tell you to get, you will end up with a junk yard car.

These kits are not for the un-itiated. They are hard to assemble, and make things fit properly. I have gone through 2 gallons of epoxy resin, and around 20 yards of cloth. There were two things that were the hardest to do. Hang the doors so the body lines matched up, and install the headliner. I cut the head liner in half, welded in more support backing, and screwed in into place. I think each door took me in excess of a week each. The windows in the doors were done like a regular car door. Glass run channel, belt line rubber and fuzzy strip. If you install the windows like they suggest, all you will hear while driving is wind howl, as nothing is sealed.

I would not use another one of these. But I have one, I am going to finish it, and I will never sell it off. The cost is pretty steep, but then what isn't these days. I got pretty lucky, and the body was pretty straight. They did lie to me about the rear end and tire sizes. Should have narrowed the rear end by 4 inches or so. I ended up getting custom made wheels, with a great deal of back space, So they fit the wheel wells properly.

I had to re-weld a lot of the frame. the pockets for the upper control arms on the rear end, were in the wrong place. the frame is built so as to make it hard to get the exhaust out. Has to hang under the frame.

When it is all said and done, this is a pretty hard car to build. I have looked at a lot of them. And the skill level of the builder was always apparent. some looked really nice, some did not. But they were all proud to have completed them. That is the main thing.
Wayne
Good post Wayne. I am with you on just about everything you had to say but I went through my manual when building mine and I recommend others do the same. I don't recall all the junk you speak about although the manual was hard to follow along with at times. I found myself reading things over and over again to try to understand exactly what they meant in the manual on certain things they spoke about. You are right about using plenty of Resin and Fiberglass Cloth and you are right that the doors are the hardest thing to do. The headliner wasn't as bad to me to do I feel as it was to hang the back window. Doing it by the manual was useless I found. I ended up doing it differently then what the manual said to do. Wayne you are very right about how the exhaust system has to exit. I have mine going out the back and there isn't much room over the rear end to do it that way. I guess this is why CMC/SB show exhaust coming out from behind the doors before the rear tires in the manual. All in all this car was not a easy build as I have said numerious times on this forum. Again I will say the average Joe can not build this car on his own. Nonetheless I am happy with my Coupe the way mine came out. I have no plans on selling it although I have had many offers over the years. I put too much time and energy in this car to sell it off and I do enjoy driving mine although I have other collector cars to also drive. Have to say its a whole new experience driving one of these older type of Hot Rods. Many will know what I mean when they get theirs on the road.
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Hi,

I really like your grill shell. You must have built it yourself?

Your body appears to be an older model? I can see some differences. Are you going to use the side cowls? A friend of mine is a fiberglass expert. He helped me out with a few things. Just small bits of advise, but it sure helped me, because I really hate working with fiberglass.

Tried to keep things as clean as I could, but it seemed that I was always cutting or grinding something.

I had always heard of guys talking about a "flat" dash. Never really knew what they were talking about, until I started to do the dash on this thing. It is not even close to being flat!! Should have cut it apart, and made it flat!! Not so much of a big deal if you are mounting individual gauges. But try it with a big flat insert.

when I figure out how, I will start an album. I tried to take pictures as I went along.
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Hi ffas23,

When I did the rear window, I was really unsure about how to get it mounted, keep it flat, and then line up the headliner exactly in the opening. so, I made a form to build the flat surface around the opening, then cut the hole for the window in the body. I then fit the back half of the headliner, and marked the opening. This helped me get it set to right height, and keep it centered. then I used an oak board with sand paper, and made the flange around the window dead flat. Then sanded the headline to match that surface. Seemed to take forever.

I had a list from SB, itemizing all of the stuff needed from the junk yard. From suspension, brakes, rack, steering column, seats, rear end, emergency brake, wipers. the more I looked, the more I realized I did not want this stuff. so, I used after market stuff.

I was really steered in the wrong direction on the folks I got my engine from. They recommended T&L Engines. Well, I ordered the engine from them. Big mistake. I did eventually get my engine from them. Had some problems with the rocker arms they used. Did not line up with the valves. Dart said not to run them as they were. T&L said to pull the engine, and send it back to them. They would not replace them. So I did, and they look good now. But T&L is out of business now, had to sell off all of their equipment, and his house to pay back all the folks he screwed over. Now he has some pretty severe limitations on how he can do business. I haven't ran the engine yet, might be little bit scared to!!LOL

This is the first kit car I have done. Probably the last one. Just thought it would be fun to do while retired. Kind of have the itch to build a drag car!! Haven't had enough pain yet!!!


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