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I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE WHAT BODY KIT NOT TO BUY!!!!!!!!

J.B. DONALSON!! HE IS A BAIT AND SWITCH ARTIST ALL THE WAY SEE THE TWO POSTS UNDER RATE THE MANUFACTURES

A GUY IN CT NAMED MEL KEIM BOUGHT THE JB BODY AS WELL AS I DID. OH MY GOSH I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BIG A HIT HE GAVE US

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Hey WoodsEdge,

You are right about those cars at their displays. I saw them at the Oklahoma City NSRA show, and they are nothing at all to brag about. Although, people should know that those are not Street Beast's cars, they are some builders around that just happened to build those cars and show them at the Street Beast's booths. I made the comment about nothing to brag about and I always told myself I would not do that to others cars, being that I am as picky as I am. The point is they like their cars and that is what counts. As for $$$, hey I have seen total bondo buckets at shows and asking more than that. Not that I agree with it, but it is all about PRIDE!!! Another thing people need to realize is that Street Beast are the sellers, and Auto Resolutions are the builders. What ever Innovative Street Machines were in the past, are no longer. They were bought out, and new management and people are there now. Take care and just have fun. I always nick pick cars, thanks to my Dad's teachings and expertise, but I will not do to people what others do at shows. It's sad.
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Hi streetrodders,
After a long career in racing and rodding I left and now have decided to return to a street rod. (33 ford coupe)
In investigating various mfgrs I ran into Street Beast. It looked too good to be true. I did call and spoke to reps a couple times. Of late they seemed very pleasant. I was offered a very good deal on a new kit with a bunch of extras. I still was not sold however due to a lot of what has been said above.
I want to present a fair view in that I am reporting what I saw and I try to keep my own preferences separate. I occasionally will enter my view point.
I went over to the other side of town and looked at a complete and runny 'beast' coupe. I have to say it was an exraordinary car. The paint was flawless and the choice of wheels and tires just fit the car naturally. I got to sit in it start it and generally poke and look it over for the whole afternoon.
Here is my take on it:
The body is at least 3/8" thick everywhere. I think he said the car weighed about 3000 pounds. the body is one piece ie fenders and body and very solid. The doors felt every bit as heavy as my van doors and closed with a nice clunk like a new car. there is a steel beam in the doors I guess. The latch was standard suicide door latch stuff.. The window track slots have to be cut out by the builder. The windshield is flush and looks good. The rear window is permanent mount and ok. the builder said all of the windows were tough to get lined up but he did a good job. He had modified the dash some and had the fuse block mounted up underneath . It looked very hard to get at but he said it wasn't too hard. The upholstery was stock SB. Seats were Mustang with SB covers. I would say it was ok but probably the least attractive part of the car. Still ok however. It looked like the hood line is lowered about 2 inches at the front which looks nice I think. The grill shell point is about 1 -2 inches higher than stock also I think. It all looked ok and functional. The grill looked great. He used VW windshield wiper motor and drive with some kind of nice arms. both worked nicely. the frame is 2 x 4 10 ga tube and made to fit the body. There seemed to be adequate supports all around. The running boards and fenders were very, very stiff. I did not realy like the front turn signal lite stuck in the end of the tube and the small parking lite along side of it. These are stock SB items. They were not real obvious but never the less a little tacky. The head lites were just he right size not too big and not too small. Stock SB items. The trunk was quite roomy as the gas tank is tucked down between the fram rails. Filler in the trunk. He had no front bumper (legal???) and only a small billet style tail lite built into a bumper pad on each frame extension. Looked nice. Very clean rear pan area. The gas tank position caused a problem with the exhaust. He had to run the exhaust out right in front of the rear wheels. Ok but maybe a little obnoxious if you get caught in a traffic jam. He had opted for manual window cranks and standard outside door handles. These all looked ok. Key lock. I looked at as much of the frame as I could and some of the welds were not too good at least as far as appearances. He had instaled a stock mustang front end which looked pretty good. I think the wheels stuck out too far and the aftermarket front ends probably take care of this. Again not bad but not what I would like. He had installed a 9" ford rear end that was a tad wider than I would like. this caused the tires to just fit the wheeel well. They didn't rub but it was close. He had nice billit style outside mirror that was very small but you could see quite well in it. There was a lot of sound deadening stuff that comes with the kit. It was very quiet inside with the motor running. Some of the wiring was not well protected and I would definitely enclose it. This is just a building problem however with any rod. The master cyl (PB) was firewall mounted stock SB and very well done. I pushed on the brakes pretty hard and there was no flex. He said there was a substantial cross beam it was mounted on built into the frame. It cleaned up the floor but might make things a little tight under the hood. He had a vintage air big system and it worked very well and was quiet. Motor was SBC crate 350. Steering col was std camaro tilt. Signals, tilt and wiper all worked off the column. I asked him how long it took to build and he said about a year of evenings. He said he was happy with the kit and it went together pretty much by the large instruction book that came with it. he deviated in a few places but most likely any builder will. He had purchased most of his additional parts from SB and said their service was ok with no problems.
I probably missed a few items but over all this was a well built car by a very good rod builder.
Here is the way I look at this kit. If you are a capable builder, can do good welding, have tools, know how to use them, have adequate finacing available (cash) and are wiling to do some junk yard scrounging, you can build this car pretty quickly as the kit gives you all the stuff that is tough to get. like upholstery glas etc. There is a lot of glassing to do but the newer kits may have fixed this. There is a lot of cutting and trimming to do and fitting. The body is nearly finished as far a surfacing when you get it. Most accessories are available from SB. (prices???) A lot of items depend on your personal preferences. One thing I forgot , the frame is narrower in the back so you can simply split the wheel tubs and widen them for your larger tires. This is a option on most other kits.
I hope this presents a clearer picture of these cars. Some of the ways they do things are not traditional and I think this goes against the grain. Being a bit of an outlaw myself I can accept this. I don't think it distracts from the kit but you have to be aware of it and understand there are reasons for this. For example the frame is 2 x 4 tubing. Why not? This allows you to fit the frame to the body and add supports where needed. It allows for rear tubs that take a lot of extra work in the traditional frame. You can brace it where necessary for a larger motor very easily. The material is pretty inexpensive. Easy to work with easy to measure from flat surfaces. Maybe a little heavy if you get carried away. How about easy to fix screwups? How about a thick body? This one is built like a boat. If you have a crash this one will protect you as well as any other. Also you don't have to align the fenders and running boards. They offer replacement clips if you need.
Concluding. This is not a bad way to go but it is no plastic model kit for sure. It is not a bolt it together and go either. I think a lot of people think you can just buy the kit and start bolting. Not so. Not so with other kits either. Building a car is a lot of work even if you have all the parts. Just take a 57 chev off the frame and see how much room you now have in your 2 car garage. How much work is it to put back together. Everything fit before didn't it? yeah right. been there done that.
Well I have rambled long enough and still not made my decision. If you have any input post it or e-mail.
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I just received the rest of my interior for the car, from them, and I have to say it looks awesome. I have been getting everything that they say comes with the kit, it only took talking to the right people, although I was wrong on some cases on how I spoke to them when I spooled up. Its all worked out now. Those people over there do a bang up job. Every piece so far is of the best quality. There for awhile I kept telling myself that if I ever do another street rod, I would not go with them again, but things have changed - I would (but they don't make a highboy). For all people out there that are looking into a Street Beast kit, just ask all the questions you can and make sure it is what you want. Every kit(from anywhere)is the same way, you need to know cars, how to weld, how to fabricate, and so on. But anyways, they are good people to straighten things out with if you have a problem. They are a business, and of course they what to satisfy the customers. Good Luck and ALWAYS HAVE FUN WITH YOUR ROD, THAT'S ALL ITS ABOUT... <img src="graemlins/boxing.gif" border="0" alt="[boxing]" />

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It’s not the fact that StreetBeast puts out crap, because frankly their quality has improved since the last time Florida shut them down. And it’s not the fact that they are only operating under the direct supervision of the Florida Attorney General's office either. With the amount of supervision they're getting its unlikely a customer is going to get screwed out of his order as happened numerous times in the past.

Its the fact that this company, FiberFab Intl., Classic Motor Carriages, StreetBeast or whatever they call themselves today has gone out of its way to design a proprietary kit. That's very good for them but the consumer gets screwed. Because of this stupid design there are very few parts made for real 33-34 Fords that will fit a StreetBeast. Door handles might fit but that's about all. You can't use an off the shelf aftermarket radiator, fender, grill or trim part because the StreetBeast design is so far removed from the real thing these parts, that fit hundreds of other kits and can be used on any original car, wont come close to fitting a StreetBeast. Replacement parts have to be obtained either from StreetBeast or must be custom made for the StreetBeast kit. For example, you can't simply bolt on a replacement fiberglass fender from any of the dozens of manufacturers out there because StreetBeast’s design, with the fenders molded as an integral part of the body, virtually locks the buyer into obtaining replacement parts from the factory. So when your neighbor accidentally backs into your pride and joy, it will take months to get a replacement part. (You don't think they're going to shut down the assembly line just to make you a spare part do you? Trust me once they have your money you become totally unimportant to them. That's they're typical history.) Once you do finally get a replacement from StreetBeast you’ll have to go through a lot of work to have it grafted on. You can't simply bolt on a fender in an hour, it will take a professional shop several days and cost you $$$ to get it done. It’s these problems that make your StreetBeast extremely hard to sell and it will be worth a whole lot less than you think. The only way to sell a StreetBeast is to sucker another novice that doesn’t know any better into buying a car most people wouldn’t be seen driving. Good luck finding one.

Like I said earlier, its the StreatBeast’s design that is crap not necessarily their workmanship. When you park one of their 33-34 "Fords" next to a real one or even a good reproduction it simply looks like a toy. There IS a reason why StreetBeast doesn’t advertise the Vicky as a “Ford” you know. It seems, based on the company’s history and the poor fidelity of their kit, that someone at Ford had a problem with them using their name and threatened legal action. I don’t believe Ford has never done that with any of the other manufacturers and, in my opinion, rightly so. Gibbons, Wescott, RodBods, Brookville Roadster and dozens of other “kit” manufacturers help keep the Ford name prominent in the street rodding community and they’re not an embarrassment to the company.

It’s your business and your money so if you want to drive around in a StreetBeast, more power to ya. All the rest of us can do is try to warn potential buyers of this company’s problems and their long history of screwing their customers. Buyer Beware.
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Different strokes for different folks or if thats what rocks your boat or Oh hell who am I kidding, Steel is REAL!!!
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Yeah steel is real, but come on, I love the fact that my car weighs half of yours. Lets say 2700lbs, if that. As for the 33 & 34's, I do not know a thing about them. I personnaly do not like that car regardless of who manufactured it, thats just me. I have a Willys, I looked at so many different companies and have to say there are not to many differences in its manufacturing. Dimensions are all the same, just like the original, maybe so modifications. I am an Advanced Composite technician, and its lay-up in top notch. The one built for Holley is a Street Beast and professionaly built. I have spoke to the builder, don't know how many times, and he loves their Willys product. Like WoodsEdge said "different strokes for different folks". Mine should be completely finished in about 9 months, hopefully in time for the April Oklahoma City NSRA show. If you see a burnt orange, flamed, tubbed, slammed Willys - stop on by and take a look. Just keep having fun and show off your pride and joy...
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You have the right attitude, Mr. 41 Willys. Build it for yourself, and enjoy it. What I like and build is not important to you and vice versa. You probably wouldn't like my junk. Doesn't mean we can't discus it but still remain friends.
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Hey WoodsEdge (Jack),

Your right as well. I'll be honest, I like everybodies stuff, because it is not mine (I think that is called envy or something). The reason I like everybodies stuff is because they like it and the fact that they really enjoy what they have. That is what matters. And yes that is what the board is about, discussing things and making friends (hope that is not mushy). Talk to you later.

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34 Coupe. Just got back from the factory in Miami, I was impressed. Interior would work initially but would be changed. Pretty stiff body, you can stand on it. Frame looks OK. Are there other choices at comparable cost? Any info would be appreciated. TIA Bill
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I watched this company for at least the last 3 decades change names, products, wish I had kept all the paperwork (articles, etc.).
There probably has not been a more durable fly-by-night operation on the American continent.
The 33-34 "Ford" they offer is not dimensionally correct to an original in any respect I have seen. The only original style parts that may fit are trim stuff, handles, emblems, etc., certainly no body parts.
They are the only outfit I know of offering a "complete kit" to build a substitute for street rod. But, who cares!
There are good chassis builders offering chassis in stages of completion. There are numbers of body builders offering many body styles (both open and closed) and even invented "phantom" styles.
A good friend just bought a Heritage 32 3W Coupe body. He is a longtime rodder and very critical of products that he finds lacking. He's had nothing but praise for this body. Imagine building a full-fendered 3W coupe and starting in your 71st year on earth...
Buy the mags, the older the better, read everything, talk to everybody, attend events, talk to everybody, ask questions, be a bothersome yakker, you may find someone has a built car you'll love and be able to afford, get an education before your bucks go in other guy's pocket.
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Phat, when I mentioned cutting out the strutrods I was under the impression everyone knew that the rod had to be bolted to some type of bracket/tab? However, just for your information "follow the strut rod to where it bolts to the frame and guess what? There is a bracket. Without that "strutrod bracket" attached to the frame you wouldn't have a strutrod assembly. When I take a particular assembly off a vehicle, I take the entire unit off. Try cutting that strutrod bracket off the frame or torching it off. Let me know how long it takes, excluding using a plasma torch. As for having only one posted entry, I spend most of my time in the garage working on cars.
The supercharged 327 has a dyno sheet to backup the horsepower. However, like you mentioned someone could have messed with the computer, although the machinist is a very good friend of mine. Even if that was the case, the road seperates the horsepower from the braggers. My little coupe hasn't lost yet! However, I know it will come some day. In addition I didn't buy the car from the company. I got a deal from a private owner who couldn't figure out how to get it together like many people I know of. If building a car was that easy, Ford and GM would have allot of competition.
By the way, I did not read where you mentioned what you drove or built?
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donaldm605 , I think it would be best to get a real car to rod.I don't know too much about kit cars (street beast,gibbons,outlaw,wescott) but I do know that a real car will always be a better investment in the long run.They are out there.Just take a little time and look.
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WELL I HAVE HAD MY JB DONALDSON BODY FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW AND I WOULD NEVER ADVISE ANYONE TO BUY ONE. THE FIT IS TERRIBLE MY HOOD IS ABOUT 2" FROM FITTING TO MY GRILL. TONS OF OTHER PROBLEMS TO NUMOURA TO MENTION HERE BUT IF YOU HAVE TIME EMAIL ME.

OH I HAVE A BUDDY I MET BECAUSE OF IT THOUGH, HE ALSO BOUT THE FAMOUS 3 WINDOW COUPE

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I am not sure about the comment that real cars are a better investment. Have you been to the big shows recently. Come on, 99% of Willys are fiberglass (the few that are ever there). Most of the top winners are fiberglass or steel reproductions anyway.

But then again, a 2600 lb. fiberglass car suits me a heck of a lot better than a heavy steel roller. I want to have fun and just wipe the streets clean, and of course show it. Mine will never see rain or really be driven much at all, and most people will not like this, but it will be a definite trailer QUEEN. Besides, it won't rust, and those nasty hail storms, it won't dent if it gets into one of those.

What ever floats peoples boats, oh wait, most of those are fiberglass too. Just kidding, but they are. It shouldn't matter what others want!
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