StreetBeast rod kit's - Page 57 - Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > General Discussion> Hotrodders' Lounge
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #841 (permalink)  
Old 10-04-2008, 09:35 AM
grouch's Avatar
Registered User
 
Last wiki edit: How to document your project
Last journal entry: 1949 Olds -- Rotisserie, pt. 9
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: KY
Posts: 1,143
Wiki Edits: 2

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just so no one gets the wrong impression: I am not a lawyer, nor have I ever played one on tv. I just have a character defect that causes me to sometimes enjoy reading court documents.

There's an interesting one cited as 47 F.3d 1099 that has only 11 numbered paragraphs and a footnote. It's the United States Court of Appeals, Eleventh Circuit basically saying, oops, we were wrong on this point, so, in addition to all those counterclaims we awarded against you, we're agreeing with the Florida Supreme Court and taking away the "tortious interference claim" as well.

It references an earlier case cited as 991 F.2d 1533. That one's a bit longer. It's still fascinating, though, if you have a suitable character defect.

(sec.edgar is also fascinating reading sometimes).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #842 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2008, 02:49 AM
SECTION25's Avatar
I'm a closet human
 

Last journal entry: Flexplate
Last photo:
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 39
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Well, at the risk of damaging MY credibility by posting in this thread, after all, this stinks big time, I just had to be part of this, for posterity's sake.

I've read this entire thread from start to here and been totally engrossed. There's no possible way for me to cover any new ground here so I'm going to leave it at that.

Good luck Jon.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #843 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2008, 06:34 AM
powerrodsmike's Avatar
Hotrodders.com Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Make a fiberglass fan shroud
Last journal entry: Next.. ..Bagging the king B (barge)
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: gilroy, california
Age: 53
Posts: 4,108
Wiki Edits: 161

Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by SECTION25
Well, at the risk of damaging MY credibility by posting in this thread, after all, this stinks big time, I just had to be part of this, for posterity's sake.

I've read this entire thread from start to here and been totally engrossed. There's no possible way for me to cover any new ground here so I'm going to leave it at that.

Good luck Jon.
There is more ground to cover...

Go check out chapter 2 of the story..

Streetbeasts attacks our free speech with a frivolous lawsuit against me

Later, mikey
__________________
my signature lines...not really directed at anyone in particular..

BE different....ACT normal.

No one is completely useless..They can always be used as a bad example
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #844 (permalink)  
Old 11-16-2008, 04:45 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: calgary, alberta, canada
Posts: 7
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
thank you for this thread I was doing some research on a glass-body to start the next project ( yes I know it cheating but hey all I want is a daily driver). After reading 40% of this thread I have decided not to purchase the 66 roadster kit.

I hope all works out well for the admins of this site.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #845 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 10:39 AM
Grandpa Cobra's Avatar
Registered User
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Miami Florida
Posts: 5
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by 41willys
I was thinking the same thing, or they are up to something...

Jason
Actually I have been too busy building cars and helping customer do the same thing.

Frankly I don't care what you guys write about this company, I'm personally doing my best to destroy those criticisms from within.

As for the other guy, he has been let go.

and for the record here are just a few of the changes I have made.

A set improved frame mounts for the Willys with a small block Chevy motor,

A New design for the radiator mount on the Willys (non tilt nose)

Several frame improvements to the 34 series including the addition of a clutch pedal and mount, improved running board supports, and a cleaner front suspension and other subtle changes most people will never notice.

I've also made changed to how certain piece are manufactured and assembled especially on the Speedster and Speedster C model.

In the near future sometime before Christmas I hope to have completed a new frame jig as well as a new style 34 grill that attaches from the front instead of from behind.

So while you have done nothing but talk I have been busy, and my customers know what I have done for them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #846 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 11:06 AM
Docc's Avatar
Dry Heat
 

Last journal entry: along the weird tale..
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Arizona
Posts: 136
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 5
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Will these changes be retroactive as support for all those folks having great difficulties wth these sub standard LONG term problems.

Sure would go a long way to cleaning up the image..otherwise it's just a market driven approach for NEW customers..

"We had crap before..but now we changed" doesn't help those stuck with the obvious (needed changes) poor design and support.

The folks that put money into your company deserve more than those who MAY put money into your company..

Or does SB think this train of thinking is flawed ?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #847 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 11:48 AM
NEW INTERIORS's Avatar
Believe in yourself !!!!!!
 

Last journal entry: 41 WILLYS FRAME
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: In My Shop..
Age: 48
Posts: 9,811
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 987
Thanked 429 Times in 326 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
Actually I have been too busy building cars and helping customer do the same thing.

Frankly I don't care what you guys write about this company, I'm personally doing my best to destroy those criticisms from within.

As for the other guy, he has been let go.

and for the record here are just a few of the changes I have made.

A set improved frame mounts for the Willys with a small block Chevy motor,

A New design for the radiator mount on the Willys (non tilt nose)

Several frame improvements to the 34 series including the addition of a clutch pedal and mount, improved running board supports, and a cleaner front suspension and other subtle changes most people will never notice.

I've also made changed to how certain piece are manufactured and assembled especially on the Speedster and Speedster C model.

In the near future sometime before Christmas I hope to have completed a new frame jig as well as a new style 34 grill that attaches from the front instead of from behind.

So while you have done nothing but talk I have been busy, and my customers know what I have done for them.
Glad to here you are making change's,But I just don't understand you guy's,One of you said they are closed,And one said he is making change's.So what is it?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #848 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 12:49 PM
Registered User
 
Last wiki edit: Mopar tapered axle rear brake conversion
Last journal entry: What I'm doing now...
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,267
Wiki Edits: 49

Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
........So while you have done nothing but talk I have been busy, and my customers know what I have done for them.
I'm glad to see you're actually making improvements. Unfortunately you'll be busy making these improvements for a very long time just to get the design up to modern standards. Now, if you could solve your parts supply problem so everyone that orders a kit gets everything and doesn't have to wait months, THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #849 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 03:54 PM
Grandpa Cobra's Avatar
Registered User
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Miami Florida
Posts: 5
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Docc
Will these changes be retroactive as support for all those folks having great difficulties wth these sub standard LONG term problems.

Sure would go a long way to cleaning up the image..otherwise it's just a market driven approach for NEW customers..

"We had crap before..but now we changed" doesn't help those stuck with the obvious (needed changes) poor design and support.

The folks that put money into your company deserve more than those who MAY put money into your company..

Or does SB think this train of thinking is flawed ?
First off let me say that I have built enough cars of all types to say that there isn't a car out there that you can build fit and modify to suit your own taste and not have any problems with. Some people even built themselves up by boasting of how many problems they have had to overcome.

Now that having been said there are things we can do better and I had plans to improve the car even when we first built it 15-20 years ago. I just never had the chance at that time, but now I am back and those changes I wanted to make so long ago are going to happen.

Our cars are not crap, they have been built by people all over the country and around the world, in fact more of our cars have been built then any other company when you add up all our different models and by built I mean completed and driven.

That does not mean they cannot be improved, just like old Henry Ford's 1934 coupe has been improved by everyone who has ever built one with similar degrees of success.

I'd like to see some of you street rodders call up Ford and whine about how the mods some guy did 20 or 30 years ago were so badly done you had to tear the whole thing apart and start from scratch after you bought it.

There is a underlying hypocrisy in telling me that in a hobby where people routinely modify, fit, and hand build their cars to their own standards of excellence they then complain that our cars require the same sort of modifications fitment and assemble that street rodders normally do with anything or any car they get their hands on.

And it is hypocrisy to say on one hand that you completely stripped down a 1932 whatchamacallit and redesigned it in your own image to suit your ego, but couldn't build one of our cars because it is too hard for you to build.

If you examine the fiberglass street rod/kit car industry as a whole from the early sixties until today, our cars are more complete, easier to assemble, and a better value in the long run then anything out there.

They were designed to be that and not a prefect exact replica of an original 1934 ford coupe down to the chicken wire and rubber roof.

There is a reason some other companies sell their cars with the doors and the trunks fitted and mounted, their customers couldn't complete those tasks on their own, given the methods those factories use to assemble them on their cars.

I could if necessary rip to shreds the design of any other fiberglass kit car or street rod out their using the same exact criticism used on our cars, the only reason I choose not to is that it is not my style to bad mouth other companies, but I could.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #850 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 05:22 PM
Registered User
 
Last wiki edit: Mopar tapered axle rear brake conversion
Last journal entry: What I'm doing now...
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,267
Wiki Edits: 49

Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra

There is a underlying hypocrisy in telling me that in a hobby where people routinely modify, fit, and hand build their cars to their own standards of excellence they then complain that our cars require the same sort of modifications fitment and assemble that street rodders normally do with anything or any car they get their hands on.
Nice try but totally wrong. When someone takes parts and pieces from many manufacturers and assembles a car he EXPECTS a lot of mods and custom fitting will be required. When someone buys a Streetbeast (according to all the slick advertising) he should be able to assemble the car with no problems. That's IF you believe the advertising which we all know is a joke.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
And it is hypocrisy to say on one hand that you completely stripped down a 1932 whatchamacallit and redesigned it in your own image to suit your ego, but couldn't build one of our cars because it is too hard for you to build.
Actually the term isn't "its too hard". More accurately one should say "its not worth the extra effort". Kits shouldn't need to be garage engineered. They should go together smoothly because the engineering has been done for you. That's what you're paying for when you buy a "kit". Unless its a Streetbeast where the engineering is so poor that you DO have to re-engineer most of it just to get the thing on the road.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
If you examine the fiberglass street rod/kit car industry as a whole from the early sixties until today, our cars are more complete, easier to assemble, and a better value in the long run then anything out there.
Spoken just like a streetbeast employee. Truth be damned just spew the party line.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
They were designed to be that and not a prefect exact replica of an original 1934 ford coupe down to the chicken wire and rubber roof.
Actually the Streetbeast design was based on one premise and one premise only: Lock the buyer into returning to Streetbeast for every major repair part that might be required for the life of the vehicle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
There is a reason some other companies sell their cars with the doors and the trunks fitted and mounted, their customers couldn't complete those tasks on their own, given the methods those factories use to assemble them on their cars.
What a bunch of bull. Most other manufacturers provide a higher quality more accurate product and give the buyer the option of having the doors etc. pre-hung.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
I could if necessary rip to shreds the design of any other fiberglass kit car or street rod out their using the same exact criticism used on our cars, the only reason I choose not to is that it is not my style to bad mouth other companies, but I could.
Sure you could.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #851 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 05:54 PM
schnitz's Avatar
Member
 
Last wiki edit: Building a new shop
Last journal entry: Christmas 2008 came early!!!
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wausau, Wisconsin, in a house...
Age: 39
Posts: 1,163
Wiki Edits: 54

Thanks: 8
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
....the only reason I choose not to is that it is not my style to bad mouth other companies, but I could.

No, that may not be your style, but per public court documents, you (or whoever else represents your company) are not above suing people to silence bad publicity. That's a real good way to develop a good customer base and loyalty.

In a while, Chet
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #852 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 06:21 PM
Rob Keller's Avatar
AKA:"SLOWRIDE66"take it easy!
 
Last wiki edit: How to post pictures on a forum
Last journal entry: 85 Suburban
Last photo:
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Central Florida U.S.A.
Age: 48
Posts: 4,297
Wiki Edits: 38

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:

Grandpa Cobra

There is a reason some other companies sell their cars with the doors and the trunks fitted and mounted, their customers couldn't complete those tasks on their own, given the methods those factories use to assemble them on their cars.
Because they fit?
__________________
"SlowRide66"

"Illegitimis non carborundum"
Don't let the bastards grind you down!

Crankshaft Coalition Master List of Hotrodding Forums
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #853 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 06:41 PM
schnitz's Avatar
Member
 
Last wiki edit: Building a new shop
Last journal entry: Christmas 2008 came early!!!
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wausau, Wisconsin, in a house...
Age: 39
Posts: 1,163
Wiki Edits: 54

Thanks: 8
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Keller
Because they fit?

Rob, you owe me a replacement beer for the one I just washed my monitor with!



In a while, Chet.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #854 (permalink)  
Old 11-24-2008, 07:39 PM
powerrodsmike's Avatar
Hotrodders.com Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Make a fiberglass fan shroud
Last journal entry: Next.. ..Bagging the king B (barge)
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: gilroy, california
Age: 53
Posts: 4,108
Wiki Edits: 161

Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
There is a reason some other companies sell their cars with the doors and the trunks fitted and mounted, their customers couldn't complete those tasks on their own, given the methods those factories use to assemble them on their cars.
I worked for one of those "some other companies" for many years. The fitting procedure was the same as for any stock car that our bodies were a REPLICA of. We hung doors and decklids and fitted the dash and glovebox door and the cowl vent. We made sure the latches and dovetails all worked. We made sure that the windows worked. We made sure the body fit a REPLICA as well as a stock frame. When we shipped a body our customers were happy with what they got, as soon as they opened the crate.
We encouraged people to take delivery at the factory...in front of the people who built it,(at no extra charge for factory pickup), so they could see what they were getting.

We took PRIDE in our product.

I have seen the way your doors fit and are hung. I've worked on several cars belonging to customers who were overwhelmed with what they had to do.

My guess is that Streetbeasts ship them unassembled in the hopes that so much time passes between the time the customer recieves the crate full of parts and the time that they actually get a door on the car that they can't possibly have any recourse...or they just give up.
Or in the case of a determined few, they get the stuff to work and look good in spite of the poor quality.

Later, mikey
__________________
my signature lines...not really directed at anyone in particular..

BE different....ACT normal.

No one is completely useless..They can always be used as a bad example
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #855 (permalink)  
Old 11-25-2008, 12:28 AM
Docc's Avatar
Dry Heat
 

Last journal entry: along the weird tale..
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Arizona
Posts: 136
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 5
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Cobra
First off let me say that I have built enough cars of all types to say that there isn't a car out there that you can build fit and modify to suit your own taste and not have any problems with. Some people even built themselves up by boasting of how many problems they have had to overcome.

Now that having been said there are things we can do better and I had plans to improve the car even when we first built it 15-20 years ago. I just never had the chance at that time, but now I am back and those changes I wanted to make so long ago are going to happen.

Our cars are not crap, they have been built by people all over the country and around the world, in fact more of our cars have been built then any other company when you add up all our different models and by built I mean completed and driven.

That does not mean they cannot be improved, just like old Henry Ford's 1934 coupe has been improved by everyone who has ever built one with similar degrees of success.

I'd like to see some of you street rodders call up Ford and whine about how the mods some guy did 20 or 30 years ago were so badly done you had to tear the whole thing apart and start from scratch after you bought it.

There is a underlying hypocrisy in telling me that in a hobby where people routinely modify, fit, and hand build their cars to their own standards of excellence they then complain that our cars require the same sort of modifications fitment and assemble that street rodders normally do with anything or any car they get their hands on.

And it is hypocrisy to say on one hand that you completely stripped down a 1932 whatchamacallit and redesigned it in your own image to suit your ego, but couldn't build one of our cars because it is too hard for you to build.

If you examine the fiberglass street rod/kit car industry as a whole from the early sixties until today, our cars are more complete, easier to assemble, and a better value in the long run then anything out there.

They were designed to be that and not a prefect exact replica of an original 1934 ford coupe down to the chicken wire and rubber roof.

There is a reason some other companies sell their cars with the doors and the trunks fitted and mounted, their customers couldn't complete those tasks on their own, given the methods those factories use to assemble them on their cars.

I could if necessary rip to shreds the design of any other fiberglass kit car or street rod out their using the same exact criticism used on our cars, the only reason I choose not to is that it is not my style to bad mouth other companies, but I could.
So..the answer is NO...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Recent Hotrodders' Lounge posts with photos

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.