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I did owned one... And I did like the quality of my 34 coupe..The body is very well built as far as the quality goes...There was other things about the car I didn't like...One was the way they wanted you to finish the car.But I'm not going to say no more about this.I have said enough about this...And I have said already that you have a nice car,And I'm glad you are enjoying it...

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I know you own or owned one. I wasn't really referring to you. From all your posts that I read going back some I really didn't see you as one trying to bury Street Beast. You had ideas for them to better the car from what I read. That is a little different them constantly trying to bury this company as what is being done here in this thread and a few other threads on this forum. Again I am not here to stick up for SB or CMC but to speak the truth about the CMC kit that I built and of my experience.
I don't mean to hurt anyone,or SB.Your are right about me trying to help them....I came here to help,And to get help,I do think SB can build a good kit only,If they would just listen to all that is said by everyone,And improve there service..I don't think Jon should be getting sued because of this thread...I do think Jon is running one of the best sites on the web,And is doing a great job,I know I couldn't do it..

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........... I agree the company didn't do some things right many years ago with their selling techniques........... I can't agree with people here calling these cars a POS because I know better since I own and built one and drive it every chance I get.
Nothing substantial has changed within the company since they were convicted of fraud. Same basic management, same high pressure sales techniques, same ownership. Streetbeast IS CMC. They only changed their name in an attempt to escape from the horrible publicity that followed CMC around after they defrauded hundreds of customers. Why would anyone want to defend that.

A Fiberfab/CMC/Innovative Street Machines/Streetbeast kit can, with enough work, rework, redesign and help be built into a respectable street rod. Its not their cars, its their "kit" that is a POS.

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...........The problem with some of you on this forum including many Moderators is that you don't like to hear from a Happy CMC Customer such as myself. You want to try and bury this company called Street Beast.
Not true. What I personally would like to see is for them to stop their predatory sales techniques, listen to their customers and the rest of the hotrodding community about how terrible the design of their "kit" is and use that information to redesign their products so that anyone can build one. As it stands now most customers wind up biting off way more than they can chew and given the "kit's" design flaws wind up stuck or seeking the assistance of a professional shop.

Unfortunately, given the company's history none of that will ever happen.
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Personally, I think you guys should lighten up a bit on ffas23..........You are getting a cynical here. Anyone who comes here can be believed or not, including us who have been here for years. His story is, that he bought this kit before CMC (Streetbeast) had all these problems, the car sat and he built it to the best of his ability and he is happy with it. End of story.........Ripping him a new one or critiquing his car is proving nothing. The case is against this company, not their customers.
I had no intention of ragging on ffas23, only on the quality and design of the kit. ffas23 is to be commended for the end result and especially for sticking to it through completion!

ffas23: I apologize if any part of my comment appeared to be disparaging of you instead of the kit.

My point was that even with the work that you described (thanks for sharing the story and the pictures!), you were hindered and limited by the manufacturer's decisions. The Street Beasts advertising that I've seen on their website does not indicate requirements matching the amount of work described in builder's accounts I've seen online.
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I had no intention of ragging on ffas23, only on the quality and design of the kit. ffas23 is to be commended for the end result and especially for sticking to it through completion!............
I agree. His car is one of the exceptions to the rule. It's probably the nicest SB 34's that I've ever seen.
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Not to be overly critical, but the image you posted earlier wouldn't stand up to scrutiny by some of the pickier 'rodders you might meet on here. It's your ride, so most would never point out flaws without being invited to do so -- your post quoted above appears to be such an invitation. Even I can see what appear to be uneven gaps around the hood and doors, and I'm not qualified to judge any rod.

That image also brings to view one of the flaws in the design which Centerline has pointed out several times. Those fenders stick out just right to act as shopping cart targets and generally as weak bumpers. If they're molded as part of the body, what happens when some soccer mom in a Suburban loses track of where her corners are and takes yours off? You can repair small cracks and crushes, but what about when there is a major parking lot mishap that requires a replacement fender?
It is a good looking car, but its missing the stripes
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That frame to me is only nice from the fire wall forward.. The back half is very sad.And all the steel support on that frame I cut of of mine.And I could still stand on the running boards..Like I said the front half is very nice,The back is ****...That another story... All them brace's is what stop's you from being able to take it off the frame later... All brace's can be built into the car...(with steel)...

Something I did on my frame,Is you cut the coil springs off the out side of the frame,Shocks also...Take the bottom bars on the rear end,Buy new bars,then put them back on, but put them striate back to front,Then put a set of coil overs on the inside of the frame.Then you have enough room to run a wider tire in the back.That's just one of the things that should be done by them, to make it better,I have a list,But I guess that's just the way I think a car should be built....

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I have been gone for 5 weeks and have had a lot of catching up to do at home and the shop. In the evenings, I have been plowing through every page of this thread and must say it has been like a Louis L'Amour book:covers a wide range of plots that entwine to an ending when you get there. My common sense says keep your mouth shut, but...

Don't know a thing about any kit cars cause they have never interested me in the least. I have been around long enough to recognize all kinds of marketing schemes and seen many changes in laws to protect the customers over the years. Years ago, I was involved with a South Fla company, Master Pools, that used the same tactics and practices. Their saving grace was they produced an outstanding pool. Their down fall was they were selling their pools with contracts that required up front money (like 20% upon signing, 20% when hole was dug, 30% when the gunnite was applied and balance when completed). I signed, I paid and every thing was fine until the chlorine generator was not installed "because it was on back order". Since they had produced as specified, I was not too concerned when I was able to use the pool with the old standard application of chlorine to keep it chemically balanced. Then the trouble started when time passed and they would not return my calls or respond to letters, including registered letters. The last letter I sent included verbage that the next time they would be talking to my lawyer. The word was out they were defaulting because people were not buying and they had been operating on up front money. My lawyer filed charges and we were ready to go to court, but the day before, they settled with returning my money and paying my lawyer. As far as I know, Master Pools are no longer in business, but they did build a high quality pool. No where did I think they were intentionally dishonest, but they were victims of their own bad management. All of us have been exposed to questionable practices at some time or another and if we learn, we develop a sense that raises our eyebrows when we encounter these situations.

The single thing that I am passionate about is our right to free speech and expressing our opinions. I also am very much against slander and libel so am very careful when I exercise my freedom to speak my mind. I have learned to avoid repeating rumor and hearsay and just stick with the facts. For my years on this board, I have found Jon tends to do just that and has been right every time when it comes to free speech issues. That is why I am supporting the defense fund in this issue. Hopefully, all the other board members are doing the same, especially all that have posted on this thread.

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Actually that little dinky photo of the CMC frame above doesn't tell the true story of it as it is one heavy duty frame. I happened to like the top area of the CMC frame front and back as it adds support to the firewall and back of the car in front of the trunk. Don't forget the Master Cylinder and Steering column is supported in front of the CMC frame this way. Not knocking the TCI frame but the only support I see you will get with this type of frame once the body is mounted is the support in whatever is used in the body you choose to use on the frame. Most of the other '34 Coupe body makers such as Outlaw use wood in their bodies.

Here is a quote by one of the body manufacturers recommended on this forum by some. Quote: Hand-laminated, one-piece constructed body. Complete with wood reinforcement. Wood consists of kiln-dried Poplar, D-select. Poplar is used because the expansion rate is the most compatible to fiberglass than any other wood.

Once the CMC/SB Body is placed on the frame it is surrounded by a metal cage mounted inside from roof to floor that you bolt in and then weld in as you build your '34 Coupe. Where the other manufacturers mount their doors to wood, CMC/SB doors are mounted to the CMC steel frame. More work for the builder but stronger in my opinion. To me I have to say I like this idea better for support all around the car. If I remember correctly the original '34 Ford used (OAK) wood many years ago. Below is a CMC/SB frame that shows a little more detail as the picture is larger then said previous photo above. What you don't see in both pictures as mentioned above is the Steel Cage that gets built inside once the body is set on the frame and aligned. Notice the steel supports for the running boards. You can actually stand on the CMC/SB running boards if one had to. The boxed support behind the front passenger side front tire is where the battery sits.

That Picture is from inside the Streetbeast factory , and what he is saying verbatim, is what we told customers in our sales pitch, I smell a streetbeast employee or a shill
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I have been gone for 5 weeks and have had a lot of catching up to do at home and the shop. In the evenings, I have been plowing through every page of this thread and must say it has been like a Louis L'Amour book:covers a wide range of plots that entwine to an ending when you get there. My common sense says keep your mouth shut, but...

Don't know a thing about any kit cars cause they have never interested me in the least. I have been around long enough to recognize all kinds of marketing schemes and seen many changes in laws to protect the customers over the years. Years ago, I was involved with a South Fla company, Master Pools, that used the same tactics and practices. Their saving grace was they produced an outstanding pool. Their down fall was they were selling their pools with contracts that required up front money (like 20% upon signing, 20% when hole was dug, 30% when the gunnite was applied and balance when completed). I signed, I paid and every thing was fine until the chlorine generator was not installed "because it was on back order". Since they had produced as specified, I was not too concerned when I was able to use the pool with the old standard application of chlorine to keep it chemically balanced. Then the trouble started when time passed and they would not return my calls or respond to letters, including registered letters. The last letter I sent included verbage that the next time they would be talking to my lawyer. The word was out they were defaulting because people were not buying and they had been operating on up front money. My lawyer filed charges and we were ready to go to court, but the day before, they settled with returning my money and paying my lawyer. As far as I know, Master Pools are no longer in business, but they did build a high quality pool. No where did I think they were intentionally dishonest, but they were victims of their own bad management. All of us have been exposed to questionable practices at some time or another and if we learn, we develop a sense that raises our eyebrows when we encounter these situations.

The single thing that I am passionate about is our right to free speech and expressing our opinions. I also am very much against slander and libel so am very careful when I exercise my freedom to speak my mind. I have learned to avoid repeating rumor and hearsay and just stick with the facts. For my years on this board, I have found Jon tends to do just that and has been right every time when it comes to free speech issues. That is why I am supporting the defense fund in this issue. Hopefully, all the other board members are doing the same, especially all that have posted on this thread.

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Here is a quote by one of the body manufacturers recommended on this forum by some. Quote: Hand-laminated, one-piece constructed body. Complete with wood reinforcement. Wood consists of kiln-dried Poplar, D-select. Poplar is used because the expansion rate is the most compatible to fiberglass than any other wood.
Although your quote is from the Outlaw Performance web site it doesn't tell the whole story. Outlaw's 33 bodies use a sandwich door jam with the wood sandwiched between a layer of reinforced fiberglass and 1/8" steel plate to mount the hinges. Even my Dave Koorey deuce body uses steel reinforcement to mount the doors and its one of the less expensive bodies.

Almost all of the higher quality body manufacturers use steel in their body construction. Some short quotes from some of their web sites follow.

Wescott: "All doors and deck lid come installed, and open and close solidly. Wescott uses high quality, hand laminated fiberglass and extensive steel reinforcement to make a strong, straight and clean fitting body........"

Downs: "Kiln-dried select grade oak and steel reinforcement is then installed in the body. We use better oak and more steel than any of our competitors. All of our doors and deck lids are hung on steel in order to provide longer......"

Superior Glass Works: "Steel is used liberally throughout every Superior Glass Works body to provide strength and safety. Each body opening is framed by square steel tubing and the larger panels receive reinforcement across their length. Cross-body bracing under the dash, behind the seats, and in the trunk is tied into the side and floor structure to create a rigid steel cage......"

Quality glass bodies use hand laid fiberglass not a chopper gun like Streetbeast and they incorporate steel and in some cases wood and steel for reinforcement. They don't produce bodies that are totally unreinforced like Streetbeast and then try to use the frame to reinforce it.

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That Picture is from inside the Streetbeast factory , and what he is saying verbatim, is what we told customers in our sales pitch, I smell a streetbeast employee or a shill
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