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Old 02-21-2006, 01:29 PM
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Stuck in gear

Okay,a friend of mine sprung a leak in his clutch slave cylinder about a month ago...but instead of letting fix it then he kept procrastinating & driving the car ( a 89 Jeep Cherokee),by shutting it down at traffic lites in 1st gear,then starting it when green & "power shifting"... ...(something he's not very good at) ...Last nite he calls me saying his ride is stuck in gear ...1st to be exact...so i go & shoot WD-40 down the shift canal let it sit a while & nothing...
By this time it's late & i'm tired so i tell him i'll tow him home...i hookup,drop the drive shaft so it in "Neuteral"...& tell him to run his motor so he can utilize his power steering...so i tow him about 5 miles to his house...
My questions are...1 how much damage could he have done to the clutch in that month??? 2 obviously the slave needs to be changed & bleed, but could it be stuck due to the syncro gears being f***ed up in the shifter assembly???
I must add that i crawled under it after we got to his house & didn't smell anything that suggests a "burning" clutch...i'm asking these questions cause being the nice guy that i am, told him i'd do the work on it for him...should i change the slave & take my chances rebuilding the shift assembly??? or should i just drop the tranny & change the whole shabang being that he's clueless as to the vehical maintinance history...the guy he bought it from left no documents to that effect in it...
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Since you say he wasn't able to even use his clutch, there is very little to worry about with it, You can't very easily burn up a clutch that never gets dis-engaged .

The clutch master cylinder and/or slave cylinder is obviously at fault for that end of the problems you describe, both can be rebuilt, but should probably both be replaced, and properly bled when new components are installed.

The locking up of the gears, that sounds like his power shifting trashed some synchronizers, and possibly did some more expensive damage to the gears in the transmission.
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Since you say he wasn't able to even use his clutch, there is very little to worry about with it, You can't very easily burn up a clutch that never gets dis-engaged .

The clutch master cylinder and/or slave cylinder is obviously at fault for that end of the problems you describe, both can be rebuilt, but should probably both be replaced, and properly bled when new components are installed.

The locking up of the gears, that sounds like his power shifting trashed some synchronizers, and possibly did some more expensive damage to the gears in the transmission.

So you're saying the clutch might still salvageable... ...obviously th clutch master/slave has to be R&R and bleed...it sounds like you're telling me that his power shifting,(or lack there of),trashed the syncos at "best case synereo" & gears at "worst" which means droppin the tranny & installing another one...
I hate when people get stubborn & procrastinate...he coulda fixed the problem for $50-$100, free brother-2-brother labor & a case of beer when it first happened...but No, he waits till it's at it's worst then comes crying to me for help... ...now he's gotta dish out $500-$1000,a$100 free brother-2-brother labor & 2 cases of beer...and the beer i drink is $30 a case... Thankz for your help M&MCUSTOM... ...Kimo...
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Go for 3 cases to start with, pull the clutch master and slave cylinders and pick up the rebuild kit's for both for less than $50, and start there.

There should be nothing wrong with the clutch disc, pressure plate, or flywheel, since he couldn't dis-engage the clutch it was always "IN" and not able to wear.

Locked in between gears, the synchro's are shot, almost definite gear damage, and possible shaft damage, the only way to tell is another several cases of beer and opening up the transmission.
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Go for 3 cases to start with, pull the clutch master and slave cylinders and pick up the rebuild kit's for both for less than $50, and start there.

There should be nothing wrong with the clutch disc, pressure plate, or flywheel, since he couldn't dis-engage the clutch it was always "IN" and not able to wear.

Locked in between gears, the synchro's are shot, almost definite gear damage, and possible shaft damage, the only way to tell is another several cases of beer and opening up the transmission.

There's always option "C"...it involves myself,that 3 cases & a D9 bulldozer... ...you see where i'm going with this... Thanks again... ...Kimo... ...
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Isn't a D9 overkill.

Make it exciting start out with the Jeep and the thought of a fireworks display first.
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Hmmm... 89 Jeep....

If it were me ... I'd jack up the radiator cap, and drive a different vehicle under it!

OR

I'm not sure what part of the country you live in ... but are there any cliffs or swamps nearby?

OR

Perhaps a case of Canadian Club, a half of beef, and a pair of Stanley Cup Final game tickets.
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Hmmm... 89 Jeep....

If it were me ... I'd jack up the radiator cap, and drive a different vehicle under it!

OR

I'm not sure what part of the country you live in ... but are there any cliffs or swamps nearby?

OR

Perhaps a case of Canadian Club, a half of beef, and a pair of Stanley Cup Final game tickets.

I'm in Hawaii...yes there's cliffs & swamps...i'm kinda a pyro though...
I drink Jamacian Red Stripe,i'll take a pound of poki (raw fish),& we don'thave
any professional sports teams here let alone hockey...so that's out...i would however love to be OverHauled!!! Kimo....
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