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Old 08-29-2007, 05:10 AM
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Studebaker dilemna.

I have a dilemna, even though I have a garage full of SBC engines and parts I really want to build a Studebaker V-8 for my recently acquired '55 because they look cool and I'm just as tired of seeing 350's in everything as the rest of you. Unfortunately I am finding that engine parts for these are $$$$ and new camshafts and lifters simply do not exist. The only option is a regound cam and resurfaced lifters. I know back in the 50's and 60's this was common and we have better equipment today but I just can't get comfortable with spending the price of 3 SBC's to rebuild an engine and then having to use a "reconditioned" cam and lifters.

Plan "B" is to build one of my SBC's and disguise it to look like a period correct "non-Chevy". It won't fool anyone in the know but at least it will be visually "interesting" and won't be a bellybutton crate motor. Going this route I can build my SB, 200-4R, upgrade my brakes and add PS and AC for the cost of an engine and trans overhaul on the Studebaker stuff. I already have a truckload of the needed hardware for the SB and a free 200-4R performance build owed me so I'm not calculating that into the cost since that money is "gone".

I want to be different but at what cost? The Stude V-8 would be just too cool BUT at the expense of making the car a lot safer and more enjoyable to drive. When does "being different" cost more than it's really worth? I know in reality I have to answer this one myself but I'd like your opinions.

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Old 08-29-2007, 06:11 AM
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Probably in between the price of a SBC and your Stude would be a pre-63(64?) Caddy, a Rocket, a Nailhead. For the price of the Stude (maybe a little less) you could put an early Hemi in it. All would be cool.

Or, if you want to stay close to the cost of a SBC but still be different, how about a 5.0? Or a bored and stroked 351W?

The "when" depends on your taste and your budget. Some folks have no desire for anything but a SBC. I would love to have a Rocket or a Nailhead in my 41, but the crate 350 I was able to snag means I can afford to build the car almost the way I want it. Get ideas from everywhere. But let the decision come from your tastes and budget. And be prepared to adjust your taste to fit your budget. I am just happy being able to build a rod.
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Old 08-29-2007, 06:35 AM
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I have a dilemna, even though I have a garage full of SBC engines and parts I really want to build a Studebaker V-8 for my recently acquired '55 because they look cool and I'm just as tired of seeing 350's in everything as the rest of you. Unfortunately I am finding that engine parts for these are $$$$ and new camshafts and lifters simply do not exist. The only option is a regound cam and resurfaced lifters. I know back in the 50's and 60's this was common and we have better equipment today but I just can't get comfortable with spending the price of 3 SBC's to rebuild an engine and then having to use a "reconditioned" cam and lifters.

Plan "B" is to build one of my SBC's and disguise it to look like a period correct "non-Chevy". It won't fool anyone in the know but at least it will be visually "interesting" and won't be a bellybutton crate motor. Going this route I can build my SB, 200-4R, upgrade my brakes and add PS and AC for the cost of an engine and trans overhaul on the Studebaker stuff. I already have a truckload of the needed hardware for the SB and a free 200-4R performance build owed me so I'm not calculating that into the cost since that money is "gone".

I want to be different but at what cost? The Stude V-8 would be just too cool BUT at the expense of making the car a lot safer and more enjoyable to drive. When does "being different" cost more than it's really worth? I know in reality I have to answer this one myself but I'd like your opinions.


Possibly try to locate a 292 or 312 Ford (Y-block) engine. Stude' engine was sort of patterned after these. May be easier to get parts for these. Also, check all the various Stude' sites and possibly find a reconditioned engine ready to go. Either Silver Hawk, Golden Hawk or Avanti.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:25 AM
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How about a 304 AMC or better yet one of those nasty AMC 390s. I think that would be neat to see, keeping it all in the family.
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How about a 304 AMC or better yet one of those nasty AMC 390s. I think that would be neat to see, keeping it all in the family.
That's a pretty good idea.
I am using a SBC in my coupe, it was in my parts bin, it's affordable for me and I like SBC's. Belly button? Sure, but it's mine and I quit worrying about other folks' opinions long ago. Get it running, drive the wheels off it, enjoy. Life's too short to not have those ear to ear grins while you're driving your dream car. Dan
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Old 08-29-2007, 10:05 AM
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That's a pretty good idea.
I am using a SBC in my coupe, it was in my parts bin, it's affordable for me and I like SBC's. Belly button? Sure, but it's mine and I quit worrying about other folks' opinions long ago. Get it running, drive the wheels off it, enjoy. Life's too short to not have those ear to ear grins while you're driving your dream car. Dan

You're right. "What will get the car done so we can enjoy it?" I should just say the heck with it and take the path of least resistance. Even one of my friend's who is a hardcore Ford man said he wouldn't think twice about dropping a SBC in it just as long as it didn't look like a SBC. He me gave some good ideas for camouflaging it's true identity and making it period correct too. I've got 90% of what I need for a really sweet 383 and SBC's are my comfort zone. I think the car can stand on it's own when finished regardless of what pushes it down the road. But damn that Stude V-8 would have looked so cool...............................
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I did a 56 Studebaker 2 door wagon some years ago. It had a stuck 289 Stude engine when I bought it. I debated playing with it, but got to thinking about how hard parts could be. I went the 350 SBC route, and when a fuel pump went out 400 miles from home, I was glad I did. Imagine the problem I could have had needing a 289 Studebaker fuel pump in the middle of the desert. Long story short, I had a ball with that car, took it everywhere, people flocked around it all the time, and with AC, stereo and a 700R4, life was GOOD!
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You can always build it on the side little by little. In the mean time a 350 would be cool a old race car set up maybe injection would look hot under the hood!

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Old 08-29-2007, 02:31 PM
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You can always build it on the side little by little. In the mean time a 350 would be cool a old race car set up maybe injection would look hot under the hood!

Craig

Now that ain't a bad idea, build it up as I can only dunk it in something later on like a old school Highboy or T-Bucket where it won't be hidden ...... The original 224 V-8 and 3 Spd. OD would be perfect for that! I can use the '55 as the "tow car". Craig, you're a genius!
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Possibly try to locate a 292 or 312 Ford (Y-block) engine. May be easier to get parts for these.
Forgot about the Y-block. Excellent idea. And there seems to be a lot of old speed equipment around for them lately.


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He me gave some good ideas for camouflaging it's true identity and making it period correct too.
The old Rocket valve covers seem to be a popular camo for the late centerbolt heads. IIRC they are pretty easy to mount on the stock CB valve covers.
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Have you tried Egge for parts? Dont know where I put my catalog right now so I cant check for parts avaibility


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Year Make Model/Engine Cyl Cyl
Bore Description Comments Select Part
No. Price Pkg Qty Core Buy
Qty. Buy
Item
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Complete Kit ST224M55 Call Kit 1 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Piston Set Set 1 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Ring Set Note: Ring set may not fit original pistons Set 1 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Exhaust Valve S2116 12.75 Each 8 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Intake Valve V2117X 15.10 Each 8 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Valve Spring VS702 6.67 Each 16 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Exhaust Guide G689 3.83 Each 8 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Intake Guide G690 4.38 Each 8 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Valve Lifter VL42 6.59 Each 16 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Push Rod 48065 8.50 Each 16 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Rocker Part N/A Call Each 0 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Main Bearing Set 1 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Rod Bearing Each 8 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Cam Bearing S-3 46.75 Set 1 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Cam Gear TG3702 127.50 Each 1 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Crank Gear TG3703 82.03 Each 1 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Camshaft VMS6 63.75 Each 1 80.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Oil Pump Kit Customer Can Rebuild w/ Egge Pump Kit PK-1104 100.95 Kit 1 0.00
1955 STUDEBAKER V8 COMMANDER / 224 CI 8 3.5625 Gasket Set RS598G 136.00 Set 1 0.00


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Edit #2 wow thats a garbled mess I'tll make more sense on their site
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Old 08-30-2007, 04:51 AM
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Forgot about the Y-block. Excellent idea. And there seems to be a lot of old speed equipment around for them lately.

The old Rocket valve covers seem to be a popular camo for the late centerbolt heads. IIRC they are pretty easy to mount on the stock CB valve covers.
I know where there is a pile of Y-Block parts that have been in a climate controlled garage for the past 40 years. Blocks, cranks, heads, etc. but I would have to take them ALL.

Technostalgia has a diecast copy of the Olds covers that is a direct bolt on for the center bolt Chevy heads and the Studes used 4 bolt center bolt covers too. Moon also has a very cool set of finned aluminum covers for the Chevy centerbolt heads.

I have a lead on a complete running '63 Lark 4 Dr. with a good Stude 289 and the price is right. Checking old posts on the Stude boards last night it seems it is not uncommon for the V-8 / 3 Spd. OD cars to get 25-28 MPG at interstate speeds if babied a little bit. The '53-'55 V-8 cars weigh just under 3300 Lbs. with a half tank of gas. The 259's seem to be the ones that pull down 28 MPG the most consistantly. I'm not throwing in the towel just yet!

Shane, thanks for the link, I'll check that out. The biggest stumbling block for me is the cam. That's a hard one for me to get past.
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Hippie,

do it in the correct order....

ALL NEW BRAKES FIRST (the oem brakes were just barely safe when new)

you can use a chebbie and say it is a "in the family" motor....Avanti II was 327 and/or 350 chebbie

Packard/Avanti did win quite a few Trans Am races with a "304" version of their small V8....so even a 305 chebbie is a option/combo/? "in the family"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker_Avanti
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Motor choice depends solely on what type of mindset you have.

There are 3 choices; one is the overused "new crate GM SBC" because "I want reliability".One is a non stude nostalga motor, and then there is a stude motor done up with as much genuine old speed dress-up parts as you can find.

I would never do the sbc in that car, that's just me.

I like the old school motors like rockets, & nailheads, but you can spend $1500 just adapting a modern trans on one! Plus they are heavy. If you shop around you can find old dress-up manifolds & stuff at OK prices. If you run one of these, you just have to do multiple carbs and some cool valve covers.

If your web search on the gas mileage is correct on those stude v8s, I'd try to run one. But I would get real serious about finding & affording the old speed stuff for it. That stuff is rare, but I would think it would be worth the effort & cost.

With all that said, I am doing a rocket in mine I am sacrificing weight & handling, but I just like them
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What about a 5.3 or 6.0 keep it injected for economy and throw in a 6 speed lower it make it handle......
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