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Old 01-26-2007, 08:28 AM
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Subframe???

i have a 46 chevy fleetmaster, and was just wondering if there is a sub frame that i might be able to use for it, I and 21 and REALLY don't have the funds for a mustang II clip. I have already been told I don't need to change out the frame, but want a good IFS that I can upgrade with air ride susp. just looking for some suggestions?

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Look at the Nova clips as then may fit that a bit better..of couse there are the camaro clips that can be used..just check the hub to hub measurement of what you have and then off to the pick-a-part to see what you can come up with..

If the clip originally had coil springs putting in an air ride is not all that hard..

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I would suggest the suspension form a late model Dodge Diplomat/Chrysler New Yorker (same as Aspen/Volare), but you mentioned air ride. Those use torsion bars and would be a bit hard to install air suspension on. The torsion bars mount like a single ended sway bar, and acts as the strut rod. The good thing is the suspension drops out as a unit and can be weleded directly to your frame. My brother just put one in a late 40s F-2 Ford pickup (3/4 ton F-1). He had to notch the original frame a bit toward the rear of the suspension to get it to sit right, but that was all. Should work well under your Chevy if not to wide, and it shouldn't be.
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If all you want is IFS, power steering, power disc brakes, and lowering, then there's a cheap way out. Look into a Chevy S-10, or Ford Ranger frame swap. You can get a rolling chassis for about $200 from the junk yards. The wheelbases on the S-10 are 108", 117", and 122". The wheelbases on the Ranger are 113", and 123". Since you've got a Chevy, the S-10 might work for you. I have the frame dimensions on my website.

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If all you want is IFS, power steering, power disc brakes, and lowering, then there's a cheap way out. Look into a Chevy S-10, or Ford Ranger frame swap. You can get a rolling chassis for about $200 from the junk yards. The wheelbases on the S-10 are 108", 117", and 122". The wheelbases on the Ranger are 113", and 123". Since you've got a Chevy, the S-10 might work for you. I have the frame dimensions on my website.

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www.geocities.com/lakota_circle_dancer/swap1


thanks lakota, thats kinda what I was leaning to but I dont know if it will actually fit I mean the s10 is like 7 3/8" smaller in the rear and 6 9/16" wider in the front?? so I dont know how I could fit that in? Here is a link the the measurments of my fleetmaster, I know the wheel base will work becuse it 116 and 117 so there is nly and in. difference. Thank you for the input, but check out the link and tell me what you think?

http://chevy.tocmp.com/1942_47shop/4247csm201.htm
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I did a subframe for my 1947 Oldsmobile. I'm sure you know how similar Chevy and Olds were in the 1940's.

A perfect match for your subframe for that car would be a 1979-81 Olds cutlass / chevy malibu, etc. If you cut the donor car frame just at the firewall where the frame starts to expand towards the doors, and move it to your 1946 frame, it would fit perfect. If you notch your subframe, your 1946 frame would fit right inside it (to the point where you would not have to weld reinforcing plates at the connection of the frame).

It was a rather easy swap on my car, and should be great for you!

Good luck!

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I did a subframe for my 1947 Oldsmobile. I'm sure you know how similar Chevy and Olds were in the 1940's.

A perfect match for your subframe for that car would be a 1979-81 Olds cutlass / chevy malibu, etc. If you cut the donor car frame just at the firewall where the frame starts to expand towards the doors, and move it to your 1946 frame, it would fit perfect. If you notch your subframe, your 1946 frame would fit right inside it (to the point where you would not have to weld reinforcing plates at the connection of the frame).

It was a rather easy swap on my car, and should be great for you!

Good luck!

~Joe Ferrero
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Hey thanks LBR that iss the informationi was looking for I know alittle more of what I'm looking for!! So I guess I gotta go hit up some junk yards in the next few weekends and see what I can come up with??

Thanks again

I'm still open for suggestions if anyone has some!
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Most of the time when you find these old subframes or clips there is so much worn out on them for example...ball joints, brake pads, rotors rusted up, calipers stuck, wheel bearings, and seals etc. that by the time you re-work them with new parts you could have just gotten a new IFS cross member from Fatman thats designed to work with your car.....a lot less hassel.
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I would put in the IFS. It's much easier and it looks a lot better and you don't need to fab a radiator suppport or bumper brackets.
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I would put in the IFS. It's much easier and it looks a lot better and you don't need to fab .
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I guess this depends on the look you are trying to obtain. Some people want to achieve a "factory" appearance on a frame. The IFS from the 79-81 Cutlass/Malibu when mated together through notching (as described in the earlier post) actually looks like the fame belongs there.

A Fatman IFS is clean in appearance for that section of the frame, but the mating of the sub frame and the 46 Chevy frame generally requires reinforcing plates at the mating point (which almost always looks like it was added).

As for a radiator support or bumper brackets, you can reuse the 46 Chevy bumper brackets and radiator support. The bumper brackets actually line up with the metal of the sub frame. All I had to do with my Oldsmobile is to make mounting holes on the frame to bolt the bumper brackets and the radiator support on.

Using original parts would allow you to obtain a factory type look, but you know how you want your vehicle. Although both methods are relatively easy, you choose what best suits you.

Best of luck,

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I guess this depends on the look you are trying to obtain. Some people want to achieve a "factory" appearance on a frame. The IFS from the 79-81 Cutlass/Malibu when mated together through notching (as described in the earlier post) actually looks like the fame belongs there.

A Fatman IFS is clean in appearance for that section of the frame, but the mating of the sub frame and the 46 Chevy frame generally requires reinforcing plates at the mating point (which almost always looks like it was added).

As for a radiator support or bumper brackets, you can reuse the 46 Chevy bumper brackets and radiator support. The bumper brackets actually line up with the metal of the sub frame. All I had to do with my Oldsmobile is to make mounting holes on the frame to bolt the bumper brackets and the radiator support on.

Using original parts would allow you to obtain a factory type look, but you know how you want your vehicle. Although both methods are relatively easy, you choose what best suits you.

Best of luck,

~Joe
Hey Joe, I was just wandering if you had any pics of the welded area where you joined the cliip to the frame? I found a 80 malibu clip for $150 but be fore I go up ther to get I need to see just how its welded up so I know how much to have them cut off at the junck yard.

thanks again
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I do have a few old Polaroid pics... I'll see if I can scan them in with a description for you. I'm at work right now, so i'll do it when I get home.

more to come...

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I posted a .jpg with some detailed descriptions on the jpg. The photo size is too large for here, so I posted it on geocities.

http://www.geocities.com/oldsmobile1...os/forpost.jpg

It is a free website, so if it gets a lot of traffic, it may not show anything but a message saying to come back in about an hour. If you have problems viewing it, send me your e-mail and I will send it to you directly. If you have questions, feel free to ask. I'll try my best to answer them.

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